Pope Francis at war with the Vatican ? UPDATE

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19 october 2015

Pope Francis is now effectively at war with the Vatican. If he wins, the Catholic Church could fall apart

Pope Francis yesterday gave an address to the profoundly divided Synod on the Family in which he confirmed his plans to decentralise the Catholic Church – giving local bishops’ conferences more freedom to work out their own solutions to the problems of divorce and homosexuality.

This is the nightmare of conservative Catholic cardinals, including – unsurprisingly – those in the Vatican. They thought they had a sufficient majority in the synod to stop the lifting of the ban on divorced and remarried Catholics receiving communion, or any softening on the Church’s attitude to gay couples.

But in yesterday’s keynote speech, delivered as the synod enters its last week, Francis told them that the decentralisation will be imposed from above.

While deliberately referring to himself as ‘Bishop of Rome’, to underline his solidarity with local bishops everywhere (as opposed to the Roman Curia – i.e., ‘the Vatican’), he invoked the power of the Supreme Pontiff to overrule mere cardinals. ‘The synod journey culminates in listening to the Bishop of Rome, called to speak authoritatively as the Pastor and Teacher of all Christians,’ he said. This is more authoritarian language than I can remember Benedict XVI using as pope. It means: I call the shots. In the end, you listen to me, not the other way around.

One statement in particular horrified the conservatives. Francis told them that ‘the sense of faith impedes the rigid separation between the Teaching Church and the Learning Church, because the flock possesses its own “sense” to discern the new roads that the Lord reveals to the church…’ Meaning? We shall have to wait until the Pope delivers a final response to the synod next year.

This is such a startling development that it deserves fuller analysis once the synod is over. I was going to say ‘once the dust has settled’, but I don’t expect any dust-settling in the foreseeable future – at least until after the next conclave, which lots of conservative Catholics want to happen as soon as possible.

Here’s why I think Francis’s decentralisation won’t work:

1. This is the synod at which the African church flexed its muscles. And it’s very conservative. Cardinal Robert Sarah from Guinea declared that the gay lobby was as much a threat to Christianity as ISIS. Sarah is Prefect of the Congregation for Divine Worship and therefore a top-ranking curial cardinal. But in his ‘intervention’ he wanted us to understand that he was speaking on behalf of nearly 200 million African Catholics. Whether he really represents them is a matter of opinion, but I doubt that many of them would dissent from the cardinal’s (literal) demonisation of homosexuality. NB: Sarah and other African cardinals aren’t saying ‘We’ll never tolerate communion for the divorced and remarried etc – but so long as you leave us alone, western dioceses can do their own thing’. They are saying the existing prohibitions must apply to the entire Catholic Church. Sarah regards Cardinal Kasper’s proposal to allow local bishops (meaning, in practice, local priests and probably divorcees themselves) to decide whether they can receive the sacrament as heretical.

2. The more liberal Synod Fathers, sensing that Pope Francis will use the papal trump card on their behalf, have all but endorsed a version of the Kasper plan – and may soon allow priests to put it into practice. Archbishop Blaise Cupich of Chicago (a Francis appointee who will soon be a cardinal) gave a press conference on Friday in which he said the following about communion for the divorced and civilly remarried: ‘[People must] come to a decision in good conscience…Conscience is inviolable and we have to respect that when making decisions and I’ve always done that.’ If by that he means that divorced Catholics can make up their own minds ‘in good conscience’ about receiving the sacrament, that puts him at odds with Cardinal Timothy Dolan of New York, one of the signatories of a letter also signed by senior Vatican cardinals warning the Pope that his synod could tear the church apart. Of all the routes to schism, squabbling in public about Holy Communion is the quickest.

3. Pope Francis is no longer trusted by many conservative Catholics, and the number who don’t trust him has grown enormously since the synod process – which I think he has gravely mismanaged – began last October. Priests and lay Catholics who originally liked the man if not his liturgical style, and thought he was fundamentally conservative despite his impromptu ‘who am I to judge?’-style comments, now believe he threatens the unity of the church. Some liberals agree that disunity is inevitable but reckon the Holy Spirit has already factored that in: eventually, Africans will come to share their own compassionate impulses towards Catholics who have been forced by the turmoil of modern life to bypass church teaching on sexual behaviour. They’re hoping for a miracle, in other words. In the meantime, they have become the new ultramontanists.

4. It’s not entirely clear what the Pope means when he talks about ‘synodality’, but it certainly doesn’t involve empowering the curia. By brushing aside a letter from the prefects of the Congregations of the Doctrine of the Faith, the Congregation for Divine Worship and the Secretariat for the Economy, Francis was distancing himself from the Vatican. He may not have decamped to Avignon, but his refusal to live in the papal apartments is looking more significant by the day. He has picked a fight with the Vatican – and that is something popes do at their peril. Cardinals Müller, Sarah and Pell (and other important cardinals too nervous to sign the letter) see the curia as the guardian of the Magisterium, the deposit of faith. It was to preserve that deposit that St John Paul II centralised the church. Conservatives interpret Francis’s speech on Saturday as a manifesto for reversing that process – and, at a deeper level, marginalising the legacy of John Paul, which contains teachings hard to reconcile with the current pope’s agenda. So, in their eyes, Francis is taking on the greatest pope in modern history – who, now that he has been canonised, is officially recognised as a supernatural presence in the life of the church. He may even be trying to change the nature of the papacy itself – and during the lifetime of his predecessor, who must be wondering whether God really intended him to resign.

There are other things to say about the impact of Francis’s attempted revolution on secular and religious divisions that are widening outside the church, all over the world. But that’s for another time. My final thought is that, if the Pope wants to make far-reaching changes to pastoral practice, even to doctrine, then there are smarter ways of achieving this than by hosting a catastrophically divided synod and then hinting that he intends to do his own thing anyway.

http://blogs.new.spectator.co.uk/2015/10/pope-francis-is-now-effectively-at-war-with-the-vatican-if-he-wins-the-catholic-church-could-fall-apart/

My Comment : This is the worst scenario envisaged by some, if confirmed, it’s just the END of the Catholic Church, this will give us a new Church in pieces like the Protestant, a nightmare, an open door to hell, a kiss of Judas, a naughthier, call it as you want, as I said if Confirmed, this is a call to the Garabandal Warning, as only God could stop it, this scenario will confirm of course that this Synod was the Synod indicated in Garabandal, we’ll then understand why this Pontificate has not been taken into account by the Lady of Carmel, this will also confirmed what I have been told as well, let’s Pray as we are in trouble.

Last minute Comment : Pope Francis Supporters …………………………………………………………………………….., I am sorry, thank you.

Aviso

25 October 2015

UPDATE :  After publication of the Synod final document yesterday evening, the 2 red lines about Pope Francis and his supporters are no longer needed and therefore erased, thank you.

Aviso

12 thoughts on “Pope Francis at war with the Vatican ? UPDATE

  1. About Pope Francis referring to himself as “Bishop of Rome.”

    “Pope John Paul II, Crossing the Threshold of Hope, p. 3

    In a recent general audience, Pope John Paul II addressed the faithful to reaffirm his own infallibilty “by virtue of his office as pastor and master of all Christians.”

    “He continued: ‘In virtue of the “supreme apostolic authority,” the papal magisterium [judicial-legislative authority] is exercised when a doctrine pertaining to faith or morals, explicitly or implicitly revealed, is defined…[T]he Councils expound the conditions for the exercise of papal infallible magisterium… whose manifestations are irreformable… that is to say, for them to be valid [i.e., binding dogma] they do not need the bishops’ consensus nor are they submitted to another judgment.’”

    [cited in Supreme Pastor, 3/31/93 Denver Catholic Register
    (This was printed in preparation for his visit to Denver for World Youth Day.) ]

  2. Aviso, I read this many years ago and came across it again last night. We can only see from this side of Heaven. We don’t have to understand God’s plan, we just have to trust It!
    Peace and Love my brother to you and your family!
    Kim

    “Even if the Pope were Satan incarnate, we ought not to raise up our heads against him, but calmly lie down to rest on his bosom. He who rebels against our Father is condemned to death, for that which we do to him we do to Christ: we honor Christ if we honor the Pope; we dishonor Christ if we dishonor the Pope. I know very well that many defend themselves by boasting: “They are so corrupt, and work all manner of evil!” But God has commanded that, even if the priests, the pastors, and Christ-on-earth were incarnate devils, we be obedient and subject to them, not for their sakes, but for the sake of God, and out of obedience to Him.” St. Catherine of Siena, SCS, p. 201-202, p. 222, (quoted in Apostolic Digest, by Michael Malone, Book 5: “The Book of Obedience”, Chapter 1: “There is No Salvation Without Personal Submission to the Pope”).
    http://www.geocities.com/Athens

  3. All right Aviso, here is my opinion: just delete that red comment. “Put your sword back into its place” (Matthew 26:52) You can do some penance by controlling your temper. I know how difficult it can be during this days.

    This “circus” will stop but not yet, and maybe not in the way that we expect. As long as the Holy Father Benedict XVI and the good bishops support Pope Francis, we will support him as well, even if we believe that many of his attitudes are objectively erroneous. These things must to happen and they are happening only because God has allowed it so. It’s part of God’s plan of salvation for the humankind. However, they shall have different effects in different souls. Some of them will wake up from the sin, like if they had a cold shower, some other will use this moment to justify their refusal of the God’s True Mercy.

    There is much hypocrisy around some of the supposed defenders of the Papacy. How can somebody defend the Pope and, in the same sentence, to defend heresy and grave sins? Indeed, some of the same people who got really excited with the “who am I to judge you” pastoral, they didn’t have any trouble in judging you, here or somewhere else.

    We need to ask ourselves: are we really defending the Holy Father or, instead, are we only defending some kind of window of misinterpretation in his most ambiguous sentences or attitudes as a justification to remain divorced from our wives and husbands, or to keep our homosexual behaviours, communist militancy or whatever? It’s not possible to be with God and with Satan at the same time.

    We must defend His Holiness Pope Francis against the heretics and but also against the heresy, like always has been during these 2000 years of Catholic faith. At the same time, we must defend ourselves against the temptation of refusing the holy cross on our shoulders by taking some kind of pills of counterfeit “mercy” made by protestant theologians with a very ancient recipe.

    Not long ago, I heard a beautiful homily from the good Spanish priest Alfonso Galvéz Morillas (also available in English here: http://alfonsogalvez.com/en/) and he reminded us that Jesus told us that we can discern the true and the false prophets through their fruits, not through their actions. Maybe we need to wait a little more before the harvest time. This week, in the Brazilian blog “Fratres in Unum”, I read two different beautiful testimonies from two different people who, with God’s help, went back to their spouses after many years of divorce. Not long ago, I read in somewhere else that somebody got released of his homosexual behavior… God is still working around, even during the time of crises.

    I believe that we are living the dark hour of our Church, but the time is still time to pray and watch. But when we pray for the Pope, we must pray the right thing, otherwise, God might give us what we asked and deserved, something like what is in the top left corner of this fresco:


    Luca Signorelli, 1501 (Orvieto Cathedral in Italy)

    • Thanks Basto, as you said it looks that they enjoyed there in judging me but I have no enemies, so the 2 red lines will stay online as the end of the circus is probably close.

  4. The circumstances around the Pope is an interpretation of Aviso. The future events that were announced in Garabandal can occur in a surprisingly different way, than we think. Let us remember the thing with Joey.

  5. Just Back, I do not know what happens since yesterday but a huge number of visitors from all around the World since 24 hours, as my mail box, maybe 2 red lines from me about Papa Francis and this could explain this, so Aviso schismatic, Aviso Apostate, Poor Aviso, Aviso too proud, Aviso evil, poor our Lady of Mount Carmel and so on, well in doubt, I decided to ask some good friends to follow closely my writings, friends who knows at least their Catechism and to let me know if any of my articles on this blog are heretics, if it’s the case I will of course correct any mistakes, thank you.

  6. May God protect the Pope against the heretics, but also against the heresy.
    There is a great danger in Rome.


    Crucifixion of Saint Peter, Caravaggio, 1601

    The Vicar of Christ serves the Truth of the Lord, that’s why the world hates him.

  7. To associate the phrase of ‘doing your own thing’ to anyone; particularly a Pope, is profoundly disturbing as the expression has its origin in Aleister Crowley’s motto of ‘Do what thou Wilt’.
    Crowley was an English occultist and recognized in the press as ‘the wickedest man in the world throughout the 1960’s.
    JohnAU.

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