Report: Cardinal Ratzinger Admitted Third Secret Not Fully Revealed – plus Sister Lucia’s warning
Secret Warns of “Bad Council and Bad Mass”
by John Vennari
Father Ingo Dollinger is an elderly German priest, professor of theology in Brazil, and a personal friend of former Pope Benedict XVI.
Father Dollinger stated on more than one occasion that Cardinal Ratzinger admitted to him the full Third Secret is not yet revealed, and the Secret warns against a “bad Council and a bad Mass.”
The Fatima Crusader reported this on a number of occasions, most pointedly in 2009. This news regarding the Third Secret was recently re-confirmed by Dr. Maike Hickson on May 15.
Dr. Hickson, who knows Father Dollinger, telephoned the priest on Pentecost Sunday, and he gave her permission to publicly report the following facts:
“Not long after the June 2000 publication of the Third Secret of Fatima by the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger told Father Dollinger during an in-person conversation that there is still part of the Third Secret that they have not published! ‘There is more than what we published,’ Ratzinger said. He also told Dollinger that the published part of the Secret is authentic and that the unpublished part of the Secret speaks about ‘a bad council and a bad Mass’ that was to come in the near future.”
This statement by Father Dollinger was formerly related in the May 2009 issue of The Fatima Crusader by Father Paul Kramer.
According to Father Kramer’s account, Cardinal Ratzinger revealed to Father Dollinger as far back as the early 1990s that the Secret warned against a bad Council and against changes in the Mass.
Yet the text published by the Vatican on June 26, 2000 makes no mention of these specific warnings.
Father Kramer explained: “The elderly German priest, Ratingzer’s long-time personal friend, took note of the fact that when the vision of the Third Secret was published it did not contain those things, those elements of the Third Secret that Cardinal Razinger had revealed to him nearly ten years earlier. The German priest – Father Dollinger – told me that this question was burning in his mind.”
Father Kramer continues, “Father Dollinger said to me, ‘I confronted Cardinal Ratzinger to his face: ‘How can this be the entire Third Secret? Remember what you told me before?””
Cardinal Ratzinger replied, “Really, there is something more there,” meaning there is more in the Third Secret than what the Vatican revealed.
Father Nicholas Gruner referred to this episode from Father Dollinger on more than one occasion, including a speech published in The Fatima Crusader in Autumn, 2009.
Crisis of Faith
For years prior to the Year 2000 release of the vision of the Secret, Father Gruner’s Fatima Center repeatedly published testimony from Fatima experts and witnesses who relate that the Third Secret predicts a great crisis of Faith in the Church. Here are but a few examples:
Father Joaquim Alonso, who was the official archivist of Fatima and had many conversations with Sister Lucia, said the following prior to his death in 1981:
“It is therefore completely probably that the text makes concrete references to the crisis of faith within the Church and to the negligence of the pastors themselves [and the] internal struggles in the very bosom of the Church and of grave pastoral negligence of the upper hierarchy.”
“Does the unpublished text speak of concrete circumstances? It is very possible that it speaks not only of a real crisis of faith in the Church during this in-between period [that is, prior to the Triumph of the Immaculate Heart of Mary], but like the secret of La Salette, for example, there are more concrete references to the internal struggles of the Catholics or to the fall of priests and religious. Perhaps it even refers to the failures of the upper hierarchy of the Church. For that matter, none of this is foreign to communications Sister Lucia has had on this subject.”
Cardinal Ratzinger, then Prefect of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, gave an interview in Jesus magazine on November 11, 1984. In this famous exchange, titled “Here is Why the Faith was in Crisis,” Cardinal Ratzinger spoke of the crisis of faith and of the Third Secret. Here he revealed that the Secret refers to “dangers threatening the faith and the life of the Christian and therefore [the life] of the world.”
The Cardinal further noted that “the things contained in this ‘Third Secret’ correspond to what has been announced in Scripture and what has been said again and again in many other Marian apparitions…”
Bishop Amaral – the third Bishop of Fatima – likewise relates that the Secret warns of dangers to the Faith. In a speech in Vienna, Austria, on September 10, 1984, the bishop said,
“Its contents concern only our faith. To identity the [Third] Secret with catastrophic announcements or with a nuclear holocaust is to deform the meaning of the message. The loss of faith of a continent is worse than the annihilation of nations; and it is true that the faith is continually diminishing in Europe.” [emphasis added]
Silvio Cardinal Oddi gave the following testimony to Italian journalist Lucio Brunelli on March 17, 1990, for the journal Il Sabato:
“It [the Third Secret] has nothing to do with Gorbachev. The Blessed Virgin was alerting us against the apostasy in the Church.”
Then there is the oft-quoted testimony of Cardinal Mario Luigi Ciappi, who was personal papal theologians to five popes – Pius XII, John XXIII, Paul VI, John Paul I and John Paul II. The Cardinal wrote the following in a personal communication to Professor Baumgartner in Salzburg:
“In the Third Secret it is foretold, among other things, that the great apostasy in the Church will begin at the top.”
Warnings from Sister Lucia
We close with some quick observations from Sister Lucia, where she warns of the diabolic disorientation of members of the upper hierarchy, and she calls upon Catholics to “stand up against it.”
The full Secret, Sister Lucia had told us, was supposed to be revealed at the time of her death or in 1960, whichever came first.
In 1960, however, the Secret was not released, and Sister Lucy was silenced. She was not allowed to speak about anything not yet published on the Message of Fatima without prior authorization of the Vatican.
Yet, in 1957, and in the late 60s and early 70s, the years “bracketing” 1960 wherein the Secret should have been released, Sister Lucy seemed to indicate what the Secret contained. In these statements, Sister Lucy speaks of the devil gaining power over priests and consecrated souls. She speaks of the diabolic disorientation infecting the upper hierarchy.
In her 1957 conversation with Father Fuentes, her last public interview that was not pre-approved by the Vatican, Sister Lucy said: “The devil is about to wage a decisive battle with the Blessed Virgin, as he knows what it is that offends God the most, and which in a short space of time will gain for him the greatest number of souls. Thus the devil does everything to overcome souls consecrated to God, because in this way he will succeed in leaving the souls of the faithful abandoned by their leaders, thereby the more easily will he seize them.”
More than a decade later, Sister Lucy denounced the progressivist forces in the Church seeking to downplay and suppress the Rosary. “This campaign is diabolical,” she wrote in 1969 to one of her priest-nephews, “do not let yourself be deceived.” This is from the 1973 book, A Little Treatise on the Nature and Recitation of the Rosary, containing excerpts from letters of Sister Lucy written between 1969-1971.
In these letters, she also voiced strong words about the leadership in the Church following Vatican II. She wrote in 1970 to Mother Martins, a former companion in the Dorothean Sisters: “It is painful to see such a great disorientation in so many who occupy places of responsibility … the devil has succeeded in infiltrating evil under cover of good, and the blind are beginning to guide others, as the Lord tells us in His Gospel, and souls are letting themselves be deceived.”
It is noteworthy that in 1957, Sister Lucy said the devil was about to wage a decisive battle. By 1971, she says the devil has begun to succeed.
“Gladly,” Sister Lucy continued, “I sacrifice myself and offer my life to God for peace in His Church, for priests and for all consecrated souls, especially for those who are so deceived and misled … he (the devil) has succeeded in leading into error and deceiving souls having a heavy responsibility through the place which they occupy … They are blind men guiding other blind men.”
“Stand up to it”
It is no mystery why Sister Lucy was silenced. A voice as powerful as hers making such statements, a voice loved and respected as Our Lady’s chosen vessel, would threaten the entire post-Conciliar aggiornamento.
The contemplative Carmelite accepted her imposition of silence. She understood it as Heaven’s chosen path for her. “I must remain in silence, in prayer and in penance,” Sister Lucy said in a 1970 letter to her friend Dona Maria Theresa da Cunha. “In this way, I can and must help you the most … such is the part the Lord has chosen for me: to pray and sacrifice myself for those who struggle to work in the Lord’s vineyard and for the extension of His Kingdom.”
Those of us outside the Carmel, however, she exhorted to battle: “This is a diabolic disorientation invading the world and misleading souls! It is necessary to stand up to it …”
Sister Lucia’s marching orders reconfirm our duty as Catholics. We keep the true Faith, the true Mass, the daily Rosary, and publicly resist the destructive Conciliar aggiornamento in any legitimate manner we can.
Source : cfnews.org
My Comment : This was an information from Father Kramer (as below) and known to us for years, I talk about it in my last blog as well :
In short Nothing really new just a public confirmation with some delay, Father Döllinger is quite sick and this explains probably this recent revelation, as we approach the Centenary, I’ll not be surprised to learn even more especially about the Papacy as confirmed in my own works, but for sure the last Council was of course indicated in the 3rd Secret, not as evil at least I hope so but weak more likely and being myself a fruit of Vatican II, I am telling it in all objectivity, stay tuned.
According to the media, Sister Lucia said that the Third Secret published in 2000 was the whole thing. Was the media lying?
All very interesting, and believable, but I do have a question: After the publication of the Third Secret in 2000 various Catholic newspapers and magazines claimed that Sister Lucia had been questioned over the matter and she had affirmed that what was published was the entire Third Secret. I cannot believe that Sister Lucia would tell a lie, even under direct instructions from the Vatican, which leaves only two other possibilities: (a) That the Third Secret revealed in 2000 was indeed the entire Third Secret, or (b) That those newspapers and magazines were themselves lying. Can anyone enlighten me on this issue?
Aviso. Are you going to set the prayer section?
For more information on Cardinal Sarah please see http://www.catholicherald.co.uk
May I commend Cardinal Robert Sarah to your prayers in his fight against the liberal arm of the Church which is seeking a more pastoral modernist approach toward acceptance of irregular relationships, sexual orientation and missreprentation of Mercy concerning mortal sin. Cardinal Sarah was an instrumental influence in the recent Synods on the Family, his voicing forthright views on the current trend toward a reorientation of the family prevented the liberal factions from pushing through an agenda that deviated from Catholoc Orthodoxy. Unfortunately it may only be a delay if he does not start to receive better vocalised support from the College of Cardinals, his Brother Bishops and Priests.
God Bless You
It is up to Our Catholic Church to decide, not listen to other visionaries’s comments about other apparition sites. It is very hard to know if Sister lucia actually said that or not. Yes. I strongly believe that Our Lady of Fatima had continued to visit Sister Lucia until her very joyful death. She is a great saint!
Lie Joe, Nothing serious especially from the French Sister Maillar of the Children of Medjugorje Company which she create to promote the Gospa in France years ago (business and co), Sister Lucia never talk about Medjugorje, Poor Padraig, I will Pray for him.
The only continuation of Fatima is Garabandal, we know it from Bishop Venancio himself, the former Bishop of Fatima and close to Sister Lucia, called also the Bishop of the Fatima 3rd Secret, he visit Conchita twice in the USA, why a Bishop of Fatima will travel on the other side of the World to visit a seer of a unapproved Marian Apparitions yet, non sense, Bishop Venancio has not any link with Garabandal and never was in the Village, he visit Conchita because Sister Lucia told it to him, there is an article on my blog about this visit, we are not Medjugorjist, we don’t need any lie to prove anything, as to me Garabandal is even more important than Fatima.
Few words also about the Gospa and hopefully once and for all, no link is possible between Garabandal and Medjugorje, in the village between us we can recognize a pure Garabandalist by this simple question : Do you believe in Medjugorje ? then we move away, it’s not possible to beleive in both, simple as that.
Hi Joe, my sources in Rome told me that the Gospa is condemned and I am used to believe my sources, probably during the year of Mercy, there might be a deal between the Congregation and the Pope and this will explain the choice of Cardinal Schonborn (a pure Medjugorjist) to represent the last apostolic exhortation in Public on behalf of the Pope as a compasation, the Pope, your favorite Pope is a very good negociator as we saw it also with Bishop Fellay, this is what I know only, to be clear :
For Cardinal Muller and the Congregation, Medjugorje
as a compasation and to keep everbody at home
For Cardinal Schonborn, the Apostolic Exhortation.
The choice of Schonborn will allow the Pope via the Cardinal to calm the Medjugorjist after the condamnation, the same for Cardinal Muller, which was to calm the opposants of the Apostolic Exhortation, I’ll will scratch your back, you will scratch mine but time will tell only.
Question: “Mirjana told me that there will still be some unbelievers even when the permanent sign comes.
Marija: “The Blessed Mother has said there will always be Judases.
Yes, I believe 2017 to be the decisive year. When things unfold, then shall develop quickly. One thing upon another in quick fashion.
And the fact that the 500 anniversary of the Protestant Revolt is in 2017 is something to pray about. Many will surely use it to further bad agendas.
Thanks Aviso, I too thought that no Pope wants to suffer the realisation that his reign is of the Third Secret.
When Conchita refers to a time when communism comes again and it will be difficult to go to Mass, four reasons come to mind:
1. Difficult to find a Proper Celebration of Holy Mass that is compliant with the Doctrinal Truths and traditional teachings of the Church because the spread of liturgical errors and false ecclesial permissions to receive the Sacred Body and Blood of Jesus whilst in a state of mortal sin will be endemic.
2. A form of ecclesial communism resulting from a general belief in a liberal and popularist theology that teaches errors in relation to the Eucharist, marriage, the family, mercy, the consequence of sin etc.
3. A Europe wide public assent to communist ideologies through the election of Governments pursuing agendas built upon an interpretation of Modern Socialism linked to a misrepresentation of ‘equality.’ Already here in the UK, you cannot publically express a Christian view point that contradicts liberal views and irregular lifestyle choices, whether that view point is within our Catholic schools, written in the press or discussed in the workplace, without fear of prosecution or persecution. To even wear a crucifix however small at some places of work can get a person sacked as can a refusal under conscience to conduct a civil marriage of same sex partners.
4. Russia makes a decisive move to occupy parts of Europe and in so doing seeks to subjugate and destroy the will of its people by destroying it’s democratic institutions, it’s faith communities, it’s historical heritage and its education systems. I undertand some commentators refer to Conchita as the source of this interpretation I.e. that Russia will act decisively following the Pope’s visit to Russia.
Great Comment Pete, Nothing to add, perfect, good job.
Fatima is a muslim name. What is relevant about ” Fatima.”?
Aviso. I wonder if you have met Father Charles Jean Marie Roux from Paris? He had passed away in August a few years ago.
No Marie, I never met Father Roux.
I am afraid to make a comment, for I am an almost 77 years old pensioner.
Do not be afraid.
Saint Pio: ‘Pray, Hope and don’t worry.
Charles Lawlor. I will pray for you. I am sure that Aviso would welcome your comments.
There is no age to comment and I have a Great Respect for old People, they are our history, so don’t hesitate Charles.
Thank you for this reflection.
I am struggling to understand why those who know the Third Secret do not therefore recognise that the signs of the times to which it refers are here and now. That they do not appear to consider whether the pursuit of their agenda is fulfilling the very topic of the warnings leading to a catastrophe of Faith. Why do you and so many commentators see it and they do not? Am I nieve to believe that the Cardinals , Bishops and his Holiness the Pope who have spent their lives for Christ, have no other agenda than to draw all to the fountain of Divine Mercy. if I am nieve, is the alternative that these shepherds of ours are unwittingly promoting a diabolical agenda under the guise of a false representation of Merciful Love? If so, they can only be oblivious to the reality and in very much need of our love, our loyalty (provided it does not to sin), our prayers and our sacrifices. God bless you.
Why do you and so many commentators see it and they do not ? good Question Pete ? I works about the 3rd Secret myself during 8 Years (2007 – 2015), not alone but with some as we call them, Fatimist especially 2 French Fatimist, in short our Lady described what is happening today in the world as inside the Church and this 100 years ago, Apostasy, lost of faith, a weak Council and let me use your message to confirm it publicly for the first time and with a great certitude now, she talk also according to my research and I was myself in Fatima few months ago to get more détails, about the Papacy, so each Pope since 1960 reading the Secret though that the Pope in question, some Fatimist call it the Pope of the Secret might be himself, this is to me the main reason why no Pope to date did not dare to reveal the Secret to the World because of this and the detail about the council, I was myself very surprise about the tone of our Lady regarding some futur vicars of her Son, as a Mother Protecting her Children, it looks that our Lady did not hesitate to compare some of them even to animals, incredible détails given to me which tooks me time to digest, in other words our Lady is very angry and sad but she end her Secret with a great hope, in the end my immaculate heart will Triumph, I can also confirm approx. the timing of the 3rd Secret Vision, during a pontificate with 2 Popes and this is unfortunately for the World, in our time, this should be confirmed probably next year so as you said let’s Pray.