25 November 2016
“Pope Emeritus” Benedict XVI Administers Joint Blessing
of New Cardinals created by Francis
What is going on here?
by Christopher A. Ferrara
November 24, 2016
Yet another strange spectacle in the reign of Pope Bergoglio. Following the elevation of his seventeen new, reliably progressive cardinals, Francis loaded them into two mini-buses for the short hop to the convent where “Pope Emeritus” Benedict is residing. There, Benedict XVI administered with Francis a joint blessing of the seventeen, thus lending further credence to the utter novelty of two Popes living at the same time: one active Pope, and the other a kind of passive auxiliary Pope who is trotted out for special occasions, including the previous two consistories Francis has conducted.
In this regard, Antonio Socci has recently called attention to an interview of Cardinal Gerhard Müller, no less than Prefect of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, regarding a small book of his, just published, bearing the strange title “Benedict XVI and Francis, successors of Peter, at the service of the Church.” During the interview, Müller made it clear that he thinks that, in fact, there are — somehow, in some way — two Popes currently residing in the Vatican:
“In fact, we are living through a very special phase in the history of the Church: we have the Pope, but also the Pope Emeritus… Benedict and Francis are two men of God, they do not think about their own advantage, their own interests, but are dedicated fully to the mission of successors of Peter, and this is a great richness for the Church.”
Are dedicated? How exactly is Benedict currently dedicated to “the mission of successors of Peter” if, in fact, he fully renounced the papacy? And if he did not fully renounce that ministry, how could he have renounced it at all? Why exactly is it a “great richness” for the Church that we have a Pope who abdicated the papacy but decided he would call himself “Pope Emeritus,” something unheard-of in the Church during the previous 2000 years? Is Müller suggesting that this “richness” consists in having more than one Pope at the same time? But how can there be two simultaneously living Popes?
Socci rightly observes: “…. [U]ntil now it has been said that the papacy cannot be a ‘shared ministry’ by two Popes, neither has Pope Bergoglio accepted this ‘sharing’…. The plot thickens, because he [Müller] turns the spotlight again on the strange ‘renunciation’ of Benedict XVI. What renunciation if he remains Pope, a Pope who continues to perform ‘fully’ the Petrine ministry.” Socci has had enough of this nonsense, and I join him in his disgust. As the headline of his column regarding Müller’s comments: “How much longer will he be able to pretend he does not understand? And why not clarify how things stand?”
Almost three years into the Bergoglian pontificate all is confusion, and the confusion deepens with each passing week. One has the sense that the Church and the world are hurtling toward that apocalyptic scenario depicted in the vision pertaining to the Third Secret of Fatima, wherein “a Bishop dressed in White” is seen, but the visionaries merely “had the impression it was the Holy Father?” Why only an impression? Why the uncertainty? How did Our Lady of Fatima clarify the impression, thus removing the uncertainty? Just who is the white-clad bishop, seeing that there are now two of them living in the Vatican?
Only the text of the Third Secret we have yet to see contains the answers to these questions. In its absence, we can only speculate: Just what is going on here?
My Comment : What is going on here ? First of all, 2 Popes are not possible, there has never been 2 Peter reigning as Vicar of the Lord at the same time and there will never be, de facto an active Pope and passive Pope are not possible, in the current situation of the Church, with Pope Francis and Pope Benedict in Rome, necessarily one of them is not the Pope, this is with a strong probability the Vision of the Fatima 3rd Secret, the Famous Bishop in White and the Holy Father, have you ever seen a Policeman (for example) still wearing his Policeman coat once retired ? of course not, This imposture is no longer tenable and we know where this confusion comes from, we have the duty to denounce it.
01 December 2016
2 Popes ! What is going on here ? Part II
Guest Post: What do you think? Do the Prophecies of St. Francis Explain It All?
Take a look at this and see what you think, but please don’t be alarmed. Church history is filled with challenging periods when corrupt popes ruled and anti-popes added to the confusion. “Let not your hearts be troubled.” Trust in God and pray. I don’t know if we are living in the time prophesied by St. Francis or not. I do know that our response in all circumstances is to commit to the duties of our state in life and to work out our salvation in fear and trembling committing ourselves to the will of God. Mary Ann
The Prophecy of St. Francis about a Future Pope
Shortly before his death, St. Francis of Assisi called together the friars of his Order and detailed a prophecy of what was to come upon the Church in the latter days. That this prophecy references the last times is evident by the prediction of events that would not be fulfilled until after Vatican II, and by its placing these events in the time frame of the Gospel prophecy concerning the great tribulations just before Christ’s Second Coming. (Matthew 24) St. Francis relates the following concerning the future Church under siege.
“The time is fast approaching in which there will be great trials and afflictions; perplexities and dissensions, both spiritual and temporal, will abound; the charity of many will grow cold, and the malice of the wicked will increase.
“The devils will have unusual power, the immaculate purity of our Order, and of others, will be so much obscured that there will be very few Christians who will obey the true Sovereign Pontiff [cf, Benedict XVI] and the Roman Church with loyal hearts and perfect charity. At the time of this tribulation a man, not canonically elected, will be raised to the Pontificate, who, by his cunning, will endeavor to draw many into error and death.
“Then scandals will be multiplied, our Order will be divided, and many others will be entirely destroyed, because they will consent to error instead of opposing it.
“There will be such diversity of opinions and schisms among the people, the religious and the clergy, that, except those days were shortened, according to the words of the Gospel, even the elect would be led into error, were they not specially guided, amid such great confusion, by the immense mercy of God.
“Then our Rule and manner of life will be violently opposed by some, and terrible trials will come upon us. [cf, Franciscans of the Immaculate] Those who are found faithful will receive the crown of life; but woe to those who, trusting solely in their Order, shall fall into tepidity, for they will not be able to support the temptations permitted for the proving of the elect.
“Those who persevere in their fervor and adhere to virtue with love and zeal for the truth, will suffer injuries and persecutions as rebels and schismatics; for their persecutors, urged on by the evil spirits, will say they are rendering a great service to God by destroying such ‘pestilent men’ from the face of the earth. But the Lord will be the refuge of the afflicted, and will save all who trust in Him. And in order to be like their Head [Christ], these, the elect, will act with confidence, and by their death will purchase for themselves eternal life; choosing to obey God rather than man, they will fear nothing, and they will prefer to perish rather than consent to falsehood and perfidy.
“Some preachers will keep silence about the truth, and others will trample it under foot and deny it. Sanctity of life will be held in derision even by those who outwardly profess it, for in those days Jesus Christ will send them not a true pastor, but a destroyer.”
In this prophecy, St. Francis relates how very few Christians “will obey the true sovereign pontiff” [presumably Benedict XVI] and how many would be misled by “a man, not canonically elected” who “will be raised to the Pontificate.” The mention of a “true” sovereign pontiff implies that the opposite would coexist with him. To infer that this refers to Pope Francis is in no way unreasonable, when we consider his ongoing contempt for rules, discipline, and tradition, and the fact that he has praised enemies like abortionist Emma Bonino and heretic Martin Luther, while persecuting holy men like Cardinal Burke, Cardinal Sarah, and the Franciscan Friars of the Immaculate in Rome (FFI).
St. Francis no doubt was referring to the FFI, when he said, “our Rule and manner of life will be violently opposed by some, and terrible trials will come upon us.” We all know of the cruel punishment that came upon the Franciscan Friars in 2013, whose founder Fr. Stefano Manelli was dismissed and whose members were forbidden from saying the Latin Mass and forced into saying the modern Mass against their conscience and against the rules of the order.
In speaking of the Church, St. Francis said, “scandals will be multiplied,” which have certainly come to pass. What else could describe a pope dubbing Catholic procreation as “rabbit breeding” while warmly inviting transgenders to the Vatican to meet with him and receive his blessing? And of course there is the hot-button issue of allowing divorced and civilly remarried adulterers to receive Communion, as sanctioned in Amoris Laetita. Jesus spoke of this very thing, saying, “Woe to the world because of scandals.” (Matthew 18:7)
From the onset we have seen something very “contrary” with Francis. While scolding any attempts to convert outsiders to the Catholic Faith, he blesses apostates and permits them to poison his flock with their rebellious thinking. While dubbing “idolaters” those Christians who hold tenaciously to Catholic tradition, he blesses the lost and misled who bow to the planetary idol of “Mother Earth.”
Worse yet is his formal denial of the Church’s dogmatic teaching on eternal hell, as inscribed in Article 297 of Amoris Laetita. “No one can be condemned forever, because that is not the logic of the Gospel! Here I am not speaking only of the divorced and remarried, but of everyone, in whatever situation they find themselves.” Formal heresy anyone?
However, the real crime of his pontificate was nailed by St. Francis, when he said, “Sanctity of life will be held in derision even by those who outwardly profess it.” Francis, who has often fashioned nice words of praise for the pro-life movement, recently dismissed all the members of the Pontifical Academy for Life and has rewritten its statutes in such a way that, beginning January 1, 2017, the new members will not be required to hold to the oath to defend the dignity of a person “from conception until (natural) death.” (Source)
And now Pope Francis has praised the 1960s German moral theologian Bernard Häring, one of the most prominent dissenters from Pope Paul VI’s 1968 encyclical Humanae Vitae, for his new morality which the pope said helped “moral theology to flourish.” “I think Bernard Häring was the first to start looking for a new way to help moral theology to flourish again,” he said in comments, published Sunday by La Civiltà Cattolica, that were given during a dialogue with the Jesuit order which was gathered for its 36th general Congregation on October 24, 2016, in Rome. (Source)
Apparently Francis thinks that Humanae Vitae was serving to drive morality back to the jungle. Humanae Vitae, as we know, is Pope Paul’s crowning masterpiece on the sanctity of human life which absolutely forbids abortion or any type of artificial birth control. The entire Church is bound by it.
Even so, Francis is complicit with United Nations anti-life agenda. We recount the infamous event of April 28, 2015, when the Vatican hosted a Soros-backed climate change conference in which several key pro-abortion advocates from the U.N., including U.N. Secretary General Ban Ki Moon and Jeffrey Sachs, proposed that the Church adopt their Sustainable Development Goals of making the planet a safer place through worldwide depopulation. (abortion) The proposals of April 28 were fully endorsed by the Vatican the very next day.
On September 25, 2015, Pope Francis addressed the United Nations General Assembly, urging the approval of the Sustainable Development Goals, which passed that day in the U.N. His encyclical on climate change would serve to get the fire going on this, and he himself had expressed hope that his environmental encyclical, Laudato Si, would be used to promote the passage of the UN Sustainable Development Goals in September 2015.
The foregoing warrants still a closer look at the prophecy about an uncanonically elected pope. St. Francis said, “a man, not canonically elected, will be raised to the Pontificate,” indicating that his ascent to the papacy will be done before the entire Church, but somehow his election will not be canonical. It suggests that a private interest group will place this man into power under the guise of an election, so that he could advance their agenda.
Credible reports from 2015 indicate that Benedict XVI was coerced into resigning, which was providentially foreshadowed in Pope Benedict’s inaugural speech of April 24, 2005, when he said: “Pray for me, that I may not flee for fear of the wolves.” We know from Cardinal Danneels of Brussels that he was part of a radical “mafia” reformist group opposed to Benedict XVI. Danneels, known for his support of abortion, LGBT rights, gay-marriage, and pornography said in a taped interview in September 2015 that he and several cardinals were part of this “mafia” club which bore the name of St. Gallen. He said the group was calling for drastic changes in the Church, to make it “much more modern,” and that the plan all along was to have Cardinal Jorge Bergoglio [Francis] head it. (Source)
This infamous clique which is documented in Austen Ivereigh’s biography of Pope Francis, The Great Reformer, comprised the key members of the Vatican “gay-lobby” which held the reigns and created much chaos at the October 2014-2015 Synods on the Family. According to some reports, lobby members threatened Pope Benedict with extortion prior to his resignation.
This is credible when we consider that on February 11, 2012, one year before Pope Benedict announced his resignation, it was reported that Benedict XVI was given only one year to live if he didn’t resign. Cardinal Paolo Romeo, Archbishop of Palermo, reportedly said these things to a group of people in Beijing toward the end of 2011. According to the report, Cardinal Romeo “harshly criticized Pope Benedict XVI,” and “with self-assurance, as if he knew with precision, Cardinal Romeo announced that the Holy Father would have only twelve months to live. During his conversations in China he prophesied the death of Pope Benedict XVI within the next 12 months.” (Source)
Still another point that lends credence to the idea of an “uncanonically elected pope” is the testimony of Pope Benedict himself, who stated that he never renounced his Petrine Office. On the eve of his resignation, he said: “Here, allow me to go back once again to 19 April 2005. The real gravity of the decision was also due to the fact that from that moment on I was engaged always and forever by the Lord. Always – anyone who accepts the Petrine ministry no longer has any privacy. He belongs always and completely to everyone, to the whole Church. In a manner of speaking, the private dimension of his life is completely eliminated.” … “The ‘always’ is also a “forever” – there can no longer be a return to the private sphere. My decision to resign the active exercise of the ministry does not revoke this.” (Pope Benedict XVI at the General Audience of February 27, 2013)
Hence Benedict XVI is still pope, wholly and entirely, so that nothing of his Petrine character has been diminished. Yet, there can only be one pope, not two, so what does that make Francis? If Francis is a true, canonically elected pope, then Benedict XVI can no longer be pope, since the Grace of State of his Office no longer rests with him, but has been given to Pope Francis. Yet Benedict insists he is pope “forever” and that his “decision to resign the active exercise of the ministry does not revoke this.”
If Benedict XVI had renounced the entirety of the Petrine Office, i.e. the contemplative and active ministry together, it could perhaps be argued that he is merely Pope Emeritus and is no longer a valid pope, but he argues emphatically against this, stating that he is pope “forever” and that he has resigned only the active ministry thereof. Yet there cannot exist two popes simultaneously. The idea of a “two-headed” pope or a “communal papacy” is heretical and foreign to anything Christ taught. It’s either Francis or Benedict XVI. Which is it?
Source : https://lesfemmes-thetruth.blogspot.fr/2016/11/guest-post-what-do-you-think-do.html
My Comment: Do the Prophecies of St. Francis Explain It All? in my opinion without any possible doubt.
The chronology of the three secrets of Fatima:
1. The very foundation stone of the message of Fatima. The vision of hell. Where sinners are sent that do not repent of their sins. A horrifying vision that would have killed the children if Our Lady not been there for them to see. (That in itself is enough to meditate on by all of us for hours if not days, weeks, or months.
2. The message about Russia who will spread its errors throughout the world if it is not consecrated by the Pope and all of the Bishops of the world on the same day. It’s errors were spread throughout the world due to the negligence of the Popes. But most due not see that Our Lay’s discourse about Russia can and should be tied directly to the children’s vision of the hell. Due to Russia’s errors spreading throughout the world literally millions and millions of souls are sent to that very hell that they saw.
3. Our Lady then told the children about the great apostasy “that begins at the top” and that the dogma of faith will be lost for the largest portion of the Church. Thus many Catholic souls will be lost to HELL thus tying this part of the secret back to the very foundation stone of the Fatima message: the vision of HELL.
It is all linked together: one stone upon the other.
That about sums it up Dan
The part you missed is the about the responsibility of the Popes and their role in spreading the errors of Russia in the Church which cause the Great Apostacy and loss of the Dogma of the Faith
Reading Jeremiah 23 today and saw a correlation with his days, ours and Fatima, and thought it worth sharing the reflection with you.
“Woe to you shepherds who are destroying and scattering the sheep of my pasture!” declares the Lord…..”Because you have scattered my flock and driven them away and have not bestowed care on them, I will bestow punishment on you for the evil you have done,” declares the Lord.
“Both prophet and priest are godless, even in my temple I find their wickedness,” declares the Lord.
“Therefore their path will become slippery; they will be banished to darkness and there they will fall. I will bring disaster on them in the year they are punished,” declares the Lord.
And among the prohpets of Jerusalem I have seen something horrible: they commit adultery and live a lie. They strenghtn the hands of evil doers so that no-one turns from his wickedness.
” in days to come you will understand it clearly. I did not send these prohpets yet they have run with their message; I did not speak to them, yet they have prophesied. But if they had stood in my council, they would have proclaimed my words to my people and I would have turned them from their evil ways and from their evil deeds…”
“Yes,” declares the Lord, “I am against the prophets who wag their own tongues and yet declare, ‘The Lord declares.’ “They lead my people astray with their reckless lies, yet I did not send, or appoint them.”
This is what the Lord Almighty says.
“Look disaster is spreading from nation to nation; a mighty storm is rising from the ends of the earth.”
At that time those slain by the Lord will be everywhere – from one end of the earth to the other. They will not be mourned or gathered up or buried, but be like refuse lying on the ground.
Weep and wail you shepherds; roll in the dust you leaders of the flock. For your time to be slaughtered has come; you will fall and be shattered like fine pottery. The shepherds will have no where to flee, the leaders of the flock no place to escape……for the Lord is destroying their pasture. The peaceful meadows laid waste because of the fierce anger of the Lord.
” I my self will gather the remnant of my flock out of all the countries I have driven them and will bring them back to their pasture, where they will be fruitful and increase in number. I will place shepherds over them who will tend them and they will no longer be afraid or terrified, nor will any be missing.” Declares the Lord.
Is the hour truly now upon us, upon the Church, its leaders and shepherds, when the Lord himself in all His Righteousness will cleanse from His Sanctuary corruption, scandal and lies. ” the cup was already filling up but now it is flowing over, you should turn the wrath of God away from yourselves!” (Garabandal).
May God have mercy upon us, keep us safe, true to His Word and protect us from all anxiety.
God bless us all, let us try not to be overly concerned for the future. “In the end all things will be well, all manor of things will be well.” Our Lord to Julian of Norwich.
Then the plot thickens even more with the statement of JPII on the possibility of a Pope Emeritus:
Via Catholic journalist Giuseppe Nardi in in the German publication, Katholisches.info.:
Nardi reports that just a few years earlier, in July of 2002, the question of a possible retirement was was put to the Pope himself, and his response was clear and emphatic:
“A Pope Emeritus is impossible.”
Did JPII know something through the spirit that the world has no clue of. Yes indeed the plot thickens!!
Personally I think both Popes JP11 and Benedict knew what would happen to some degree with certainty because they have read the 3rd secret in full. Some of their actions and words allude to or seem to try to pre-counteract future events or gives clues as to what is going on. It’s not all coincidence. So they know what’s happening or was to happen and why and want to surreptitiously warn the Faithful. But only a few are listening.
So Aviso the terrible part is not “the last Pope will be under the control of Satan ” (or a similar phrase) but something related to it?
Malachi Martin confirmed the above when asked but he said there is something more, something terrible at the heart of the Secret.
What could be worse than a Pope under Satanic control?
What’s worse? A pope who is not only under his control but who invites Satan to sit on the throne of Peter (the AC himself) and opens the door to the Abomination of Desolation. In other words, Gog and Magog. (Revelations)
I think most of us would prefer not to know if something like this Satanic ritual had really taken place as Malachi Martin claimed. I can’t help wondering if this is linked to something in the Third Secret which Martin was trying to tell us. He did say there is something terrible which we would be better off not knowing. And I can only imagine that it’s something Satanic in the Church which Our Lady warned us about.
If we are truly in the Final Battle between the Devil and Our Lady as Sr Lucy claimed then we have to be prepared to learn that terrible things have taken place. For now suffice to say that child abuse is often linked to ritual Satanism, as Martin claimed took place in 1963
I understand Aviso and it pains my heart to think my loved ones may be lost. This is a terrifying situation that we are in and it’s because the Faith, the Church as people knew it up till 1960 has disappeared.
The Council was wicked because it turned away from the Dogma that Outside The Church There Is No Salvation and in its place put a false Ecumenism which it called Christian Unity. So Catholics came to believe that it didn’t matter what church you belonged to because you could be saved anyway. At the same time a new mass was brought in which was very similar to the Protestant communion service and soon Catholics were aping Protestants by standing to receive Communion in the hand.
Then under John Paul 11 things were taken to the next level with Assisi in 1986. The message was clear “many paths one goal” The religions are equal in the site of God and there is truth in all of them. Universalism and Indifferentism.
But I don’t think Our Lady uses big words like these in her Secret because she knows and loves the simple Catholics and sees how they are deceived by their Sheperds. This is the thorn in her Heart.
Then the big one; the Pope apologises for the Holocaust, for the ghettoes. The Catholics must feel shame for the Church of Pius XII. He meets the rabbis and goes to Jerusalem. Well the Jews are very grateful and slap him on the back! They do not need to convert either because they have the covenant. So there was really no need for a New Covenant. And Christ is betrayed.
All of this must be there in the Third Secret. And worse.
Malachi Martin famously claimed to have read the Third Secret. He said he was bound to not repeat any of the text but if someone asked him if something was in the Secret he could confirm or deny. Everyone who had read the text had to promise to not repeat it in so many words but they could allude to what was in the text. This was how he confirmed that “the last pope will be under the control of Satan” comes from someone who read or was told what was in the Secret. It was sufficiently vague to give the meaning without repeating the actual words. The actual words are worse than that according to Martin.
He also wrote and spoke about a ceremony which took place in St Paul’s chapel in the Vatican on 29 June 1963 and was linked by telephone to a similar ceremony in the U.S. The ceremony was called an Enthronement Of The Archangel Lucifer and was a Black Magic ritual. Because of the proximity of St Paul’s chapel the Black Mass was performed in the U.S to time exactly with the ceremony in St Paul’s.
In later years during exorcisms Martin said the exorcists were taunted by the demons, saying ” why do you torment us when our Prince in honoured by your Cardinals, when he is enthroned in your Vatican? ”
This would have taken place only 3 years after the pope refused to publish the Third Secret and also during the time of the Garabandal apparitions. Perhaps the Third Secret says something about this Enthronement?
Reads like the worst horror story doesn’t it Dennis.
Hi Dennis, the 3rd Secret does not talk about this Enthronement indicated by Malachi Martin according to my own research, the heart of the Secret, the terrible part is related to the difficulty of Sister Lucy to write it for months, she needed a new apparition of our Lady to be able to write it yet she saw hell, wars, annilhation of nations….etc….after years of research regarding especially this topic (in other words this is the main reason why Rome and any Popes since 1960 did not reveal it despite the order from Heaven), I can confirm today that it concerns the Pope and this explains why she could not write it without the help from our Lady, for me that Pope in question is Pope Francis, so we are living currently the Fatima 3rd Secret in live and this will end badly exactly as indicated in the Fatima Vision, in my opinion probably within 1 Year but time will tell only if I am right or wrong, for now I am still confident about my own time table.
Pope Francis gives Patriarch Kirill birthday gift of relic
Hi Raymond, thanks for the Link but between us only, no Chance for Pope Francis to be welcomed by Putin in Moscow, their own intelligence services (the famous FSB) are probably aware that Bergoglio was a Puppet of the Obama’s team for years (the St Gallen Group, Soros and co), so in my opinion and as I already said to you, the Salza and co are wrong but it’s funny that the gift in question was about Saint Francis of assisi especially when we are aware of his famous Prophecy, well thanks again to the Holy Spirit.
Aviso, The Prophecy of St. Francis (1226) is not about Pope Benedict XVI neither Pope Francis.
The first part of the prophecy says : “Act bravely, my Brethren; take courage, and trust in the Lord. The time is fast approaching in which there will be great trials and afflictions”
“The time is fast approching”, this will indicate that the prophecy of St. Francis will be fulfilled in the near future not after 790 years.
The second part of the prophecy says : “The devils will have unusual power, the immaculate purity of our Order, and of others, will be so much obscured that there will be very few Christians WHO WILL OBEY the true Sovereign Pontiff and the Roman Catholic Church.”
Let’s say that the true Pope is pope Benedict XVI, so we must obey him according to the prophecy, and Pope Benedict XVI said that his resignation is valid, he also ask for obedience to pope Francis. So, the true Pope is saying that we must obey the false Pope. It doesn’t make sense.
The next part of the prophecy says: “AT THE TIME OF THIS TRIBULATION a man, not canonically elected, will be raised to the Pontificate, who, by his cunning, will endeavour to draw many into error and death.”
The Tribulation has not even started, and second, Pope Francis is not leading anybody to death, and is talking about a physical death.
“Those who preserve their fervour and adhere to virtue with love and zeal for the truth, WILL SUFER INJURIES and, PERSECUTIONS as rebels and schismatics; for their persecutors, urged on by the evil spirits, will say they are rendering a great service to God by DESTROYING SUCH PESTILANCE MEN FROM THE FACE OF THE EARTH. But the Lord will be the refuge of the afflicted, and will save all who trust in Him. And in order to be like their Head , these, the elect, will act with confidence, and by their DEATH will purchase for themselves eternal life; choosing to obey God rather than man, they will fear nothing, and they will prefer to PERISH rather than consent to falsehood and perfidy.”
The prophecy of St Francis Assisi may be referring to the Western Schism (1378 to 1417), and if is not, it should be fulfilled during the Communist Tribulation. God bless you Aviso.
Hi Raymond, you are not quoting the full Prophecy from St Francis, probably to match and confirm your opinion, This is often the case when the prophecy in question does not fit the full phylosophy, faith and mentality of some, in other words the more important part as below :
At the time of this tribulation a man, not canonically elected, will be raised to the Pontificate, who, by his cunning, will endeavour to draw many into error and death.
Then scandals will be multiplied, our Order will be divided, and many others will be entirely destroyed, because they will consent to error instead of opposing it.
There will be such diversity of opinions and schisms among the people, the religious and the clergy, that, except those days were shortened, according to the words of the Gospel, even the elect would be led into error, were they not specially guided, amid such great confusion, by the immense mercy of God.
Then our Rule and manner of life will be violently opposed by some, and terrible trials will come upon us. Those who are found faithful will receive the crown of life; but woe to those who, trusting solely in their Order, shall fall into tepidity, for they will not be able to support the temptations permitted for the proving of the elect.
Those who preserve their fervour and adhere to virtue with love and zeal for the truth, will suffer injuries and, persecutions as rebels and schismatics; for their persecutors, urged on by the evil spirits, will say they are rendering a great service to God by destroying such pestilent men from the face of the earth. But the Lord will be the refuge of the afflicted, and will save all who trust in Him. And in order to be like their Head [Jesus Christ], these, the elect, will act with confidence, and by their death will purchase for themselves eternal life; choosing to obey God rather than man, they will fear nothing, and they will prefer to perish [physically] rather than consent to falsehood and perfidy.
Some preachers will keep silence about the truth, and others will trample it under foot and deny it. Sanctity of life will be held in derision even by those who outwardly profess it, for in those days Jesus Christ will send them not a true Pastor, but a destroyer.
This Prophecy from St Francis of Assisi concerns the end of times period and not the Westerm Schism, the fact you are giving about the timing, the 790 Years has not to me any serious value, for example the Book of Revelation has 2000 years and is de facto THE main Prophecy, however not yet fulfilled, I can give you many other different examples, let’s take Garabandal, the main topic of my blog, many and for years thought that the Lady of The Carmel praised the last Council, Vatican II, but being aware of the Fatima 3rd Secret myself via my own research, I knew that this was not possible because that Council in question is in the Secret of Fatima as well, so how this was possible from our Lady to deny in Garabandal what she said in Fatima, so I said myself I need to investigate that part and I used the knowledge of one my good Garabandalist Friend who is also the owner of the Garabandal Archives to finally understand that again this was another Rumor from some faithful and admirer of the same Council, in other words many are using our Lady’s words or some Saints Prophecies to match their own opinion due probably to a lack of knowledge (I am not talking about you especially) and so on, you made the same mistake with the Prophecy of St Malachy, especially with the number of Popes as about The Communism indicated in Garabandal, the Tribulations and the Pope travelling to Russia….do not hesitate to read the comment from Pete especially the part about Garabandal to get more details (article Apocalypse 13 Verse 18/Part V).
To conclude, the Result of some incompétences and I am telling it in a Respectfull way because it’s a fact so let’s still use the Garabandal example, you finally get empty Pines sending most of the faithful to some false Apparitions, Medjugorje is the typical example, without speaking of what we call between us, this new generation of Garabandalist which appeared in the 80’s, the Medjugo-Garabandalist which is even worse, I personally make a difference between those who were converted there (the good fruit) and the promoters (the bad fruit), which is for me not the same.
Hi Aviso, I said that it may be referring to the Western Schism (1378 to 1417) or in the time of the future Communist Tribulation, but is most likley to the Western Schism because during the Communist Tribulation there will be Sede Vacante for many months. The prophecy doesn’t fit with Pope Benedict XVI neither Pope Fancis as I explained.
Fine Raymond, pity I could not convince you but if you do not see that the Saint Francis of Assisi prophecy corresponds to Pope Francis (to whom else if not ?) up to his name then I can’t do anything more and will not insist, thanks.
Thank you Aviso.
It does make sense that Our Lady would have bad names for the Popes who brought in the Council and new mass. And to be fair Fr Hesse did say the worm ridden popes mentioned at La Salette would come in the next century, the 20th century.
I had the good grace to see the Abbé de Nantes and his Community at Fatima in 1999, so different from the Novus Ordo. Without them and Fr Gruner we would know almost nothing about Fatima as Fr Alonso was silenced. There is something in the Third Secret about the Religious Orders, it seems, as well as Priests and the Hierarchy. Something terrible about the Dogma of the Faith, well we know it would be lost in Rome and in most of Europe. Not just lost but given away, subverted by the traitors who pretended to be our Shepherds. So there is something Satanic about this.
Surely Aviso if Our Lady tells us something it is for our good. If it shocks it must be because we need to wake up to the danger. Nothing can be more shocking than finding oneself in Hell for all eternity.
I will try to be patient. Pray for me as I pray for you.
I will Pray for you Dennis and I thank you for your Prayers as well.
Abbé de Nantes was Great but he made a mistake about the Bishop in white in the 3rd Secret vision, He thought it was Pope John Paul 1st but who do not make mistakes ?…etc..
About the Terrible part, this is how I am thinking myself, after 9 Years of research, I think to have a very good idea of the content of the secret, to me probably about 99% of its content (the terrible part included) and be sure that I don’t get any satisfaction being aware of it, on the contrary rather a very difficult Cross but there is still the last 1% due to the fact that I did not read myself the secret with my own eyes which was not the case for example of Malachi Martin, the 1% is why I still hesitate to talk about it online but you must know and according to my own statistic, many of our readers so most are following and reading closely your questions as my answers, many of these answers are somewhere and already, what I will reconfirm in my own Fatima 3rd Secret, so let me add the final scheme of our Lady’s secret and clearly :
The First Secret was about HELL
The Second Secret was about the Consecration of Russia so about COMMUNISM
The Third Secret is about Church (Dogma of Faith) and mainly about POPES
So Again : HELL COMMUNISM POPES (1st, 2nd and 3rd Secret)
Those are the 3 Keys of the full Secret which is in 3 Parts, The Lady starts with HELL then the Reason COMMUNISM and Finally the Responsables POPES, this is for me, the Puzzle and “cost” me 9 Years and terrible nights.
But maybe some might think what my fatima 3rd Secret as I will calll it could add to Fatima, well to our greatest Scholars, the Alonso, De St Marie, Frère Michel, Gruner and co, probably Nothing that they were not aware yet, the only possible piece of the Puzzle, could be the Timing of the full Puzzle, the famous WHEN ? so in my opinion here enters Garabandal…………the Part that none of them did took into account in their own research for different reasons, expect maybe Malachi Martin.
Yes Aviso most of us are shocked when we see how much we were brainwashed and how much Communist thinking seeped into our own minds.
So when we learn that Good Pope John and Paul VI deliberately brought this into our Church through the Council and the new mass we are disorientated until we see how they put Man up for worship instead of God. What Our Lady calls the “errors of Russia” Communist infiltration of the Church reaching the very top.
The answers to what is in the 3rd Secret are already out there but even with the internet it times time and effort to piece it all together. I remember when I read The Whole Truth About Fatima I was shocked to see how John Paul 11, following Paul VI had in fact subverted the message of Fatima to suit his own cult of Man. Shocked to see how he had dared to do this at the very feet of Our Blessed Lady!
So for you to bring all of this to some readers for the first time and with the very clear words of Our Lady will cause some trepidation, to say the least. Outside the Church there is no Salvation and most souls go to hell. They have put the Dogma of Faith outside the Church.
The Faith is always in the Church but they have got hold of the means of Salvation. The channels of Grace.
Exactly Dennis and this is the question to have in your heart which is in mine for years now :
You know the song from John Lennon, the atheist song : IMAGINE, well Dennis let’s imagine together :
IMAGINE you have children and wife, a mother, a father, brothers and sisters, a family with uncles, aunts and many different cousins, many different friends also and you have with many of them several chilwood memories, good relations and Respect, both yesterday and still today, some are Catholics but liberal or mordernist as the current majority, others are from different Religions, many are also atheist and so on but you love most of them as they are, unfortunately in your heart you know also and for years that many of them if not most will not be saved but for different reasons (shame or they will not believe, they will laugh, they will not love me any more….etc….) you never have the courage to tell them, well my Friend if you listen “this song”, you will understand the tears and cry of our Lady in her 3rd secret, the title of “this Song” is probably : The Dogma of the Faith.
Hi Raymond – According to the St Malachy’s prophecy, I have read that there are two interpretations to the final pope he names, “Peter the Roman”. Some say there are some unnamed in between, but others are trying to link Pope Francis to the name. With today’s (11/26/16) terrible news about Cardinals Bell and Burke, I think this is what Conchita meant about the “like a schism”
– I think their removal is the beginning of this. I cannot wait to hear Aviso’s opinion on this.
Yes Clare, I confirm, this is the beginning of the Schism indicated by our Lady in Garabandal, An umpteenth proof of the authenticity of these Marian apparitions, strangely these new events match quite well my own time table, Garabandal is probably the more important Apparitions since the Resurection, People cannot imagine yet what is Garabandal, Garabandal is our last chance to save our souls, we got Garabandal because of the Fatima 3rd Secret via our Mother, named as well the Warning, without the Warning well……….
Hi Clare, Here is the prophecy, one more Pope after Pope Francis
Blessed Anne Catherine Emmerich’s Prophecy (THE SCHISM)
I saw in Germany among world-wise ecclesiastics, and enlightened Protestants, plans formed for the blending of religious creeds, the suppression of Papal authority, the appointment of more superiors, the diminishing of expenses and number of ecclesiastics, etc., which projects found abettors in many of the Roman prelates.”
“They want to take from the shepherd his own pasture grounds! They want to fill his place with one who will hand all over to the enemy! Then she shook her hand indignantly, crying out: ‘O ye German cheats! Wait awhile! you will not succeed! The Shepherd stands upon a rock! O ye priests!…ye sleep, and the sheepfold is everywhere on fire! You do nothing! O how you will bewail this some day!
October 1, 1820
“The Church is in great danger. We must pray so that the Pope may not leave Rome; countless evils would result if he did. They are now demanding something from him. The Protestant doctrine and that of the schismatic Greeks are to spread everywhere. I now see that in this place is being so cleverly undermined, that there hardly remain a hundred or so priests who have not been deceived. They all work for destruction, even the clergy. A great devastation is now near at hand.”
Merlin (7th century): There will come a German Anti-Pope. Italy and Germany will be sorely troubled. A French King will restore the true Pope.
The late Fr Hesse claimed that a hidden part of the Secret of La Salette talked about “two worm ridden popes” and Melanie said that at first it would be difficult to know which one is pope.
Fr Kramer said that in the Third Secret of Fatima Our Lady calls one pope a Serpent and another pope a Chameleon.
It would seem that She is not at all pleased with this situation.
Hi Dennis, in my opinion, the Summorum Pontificum (2007) as the lifting of the 4 SSPX Bishops excommunication are not a sign of someone worm but of courage, the reality is that Pope Benedict had probably a lot of enemies within the Church and even more after these acts, this could explains a lot as his resignation.
I think that as Cardinal Ratzinger he did a lot to recognise the SSPX and that if it had been up to him they would not have been excommunicated. And so as Pope he did all he could to meet their demands, lifting the excommunication and freeing the Mass from restrictions. I agree with you that he has not renounced the papacy because if he had he would be Cardinal Ratzinger again and probably living in Germany.
With the 2 Popes there are prophecies, i.e Ann Catherine Emmerich that foretell this and it seems La Salette as well. We don’t know the names of the worm ridden popes and only that Melanie did talk about there being 2 Popes, one of them being the real one.
The Third Secret seems to talk about 2 popes, a serpent and a chameleon and Pete’s interpretation is very interesting here. In a previous post you mentioned that in the Secret the Pope under the control of Satan would be during a pontificate of 2 popes.
So does the Third Secret actually mention this situation of two Popes?
Yes Dennis, the Fatima 3rd Secret is mainly about the Papacy, as I already said online and will give more détails in my Fatima 3rd Secret soon, I cannot divulgue all now, first the Serpent is not Francis but John XXIII, the first Pope refusing to disclose the Secret as ordered by Heaven in 1960, because of his refusal the followed Popes will refuse as well, the Chameleon is Pope Paul VI for having change the Mass but in the same time the author of Humanae vitae and the first Pope confirming that the smoke of Satan was entered the Church, this is typical the way of a chameleon (having different skins so different faces, good and bad), in other words these 2 Popes already did exactly what our mother warned in her secret, a bad (she even said Something worse than Bad which I will talk in my Secret) Council and a bad mass, they did it because they could not imagine and beleive (helped by some bad advisers, we have the names as well) that their council was the council indicated in the secret but probably a futur one, the one maybe during the last Pope Under the Control of Satan and before the Truimph of the Immaculate, below another confirmation that the Fatima 3rd Secret is mainly about the Papacy from Brother François de Sainte Marie, he is with Brother Michel, our 2 Greatest French Fatima Scholars, probably of the same level as Father Alonso but without an official mission from the Church :
Fère François :
” The Third Secret announces not only an almost universal apostasy, but that it equally sheds light, and probably with some concrete precisions, easily recognizable on the grave deficiencies of consecrated souls – priests, religious, nuns – as also and first of all members of the hierarchy and some Sovereign Pontiffs themselves”
I might indicate in my Fatima 3rd Secret the terrible part of the Secret but some advised me not to do it because it could be a terrible shock for many of our readers (probably you as well Dennis) but as it’s about the Dogma of the Faith, I think and I will pray again and again my Rosary then I could disclose it, I will see, as you can read my reply does not answer exactly to your question but I will within my 3rd Secret, please be patient, thanks.
You sparked a thought in me Dennis.
A chameleon is one that changes itself to blend in to the background, to look like something else but can never change the reality of what it is, a defence mechanism to hide from the serpent, Pope Benedict XVI.
A serpent is one who deceives others about truth in a way that is seductive because it appears as virtue, reasonable and just, we see it in false representations of mercy, equality, eccumenism, Sacramental privilege etc. It is the serpent that is crushed under the heel of The Virgin, a serpent once crushed allows an opportunity for the chameleon to let itself be seen again in plain sight.
One more year
The full quote from Fr Kramer (available on YouTube) was that in the Third Secret Our Lady says bad things about the Popes, she calls one pope a serpent and another pope a chameleon.
So without knowing the text of the Secret we can’t know the context or which Popes she was referring too. However we do know that the secret of La Salette, according to Fr Hesse (and possibly Malachi Martin?) does mention two worm ridden or worm eaten popes and that in later life Melanie Calvat said that at first it would be difficult to know which one was the true Pope.
La Salette is a key to the Third Secret . Your thoughts about the chameleon are interesting, I was thinking about a reptile who changes his colours but of course this is a camouflage
We are living at such a bizarre time I keep thing of what Sister Lucy said about a “diabolical disorientation ”
God Bless and pray for me
Pope Emeritus Benedict XVI could be the bishop dressed in white, but the Holy Father killed by the soldiers may be Pope Francis or his succesor. Pope Francis said during a interview that he has the sensation that his pontificate is going to be short (~5 years). According to St Malachy’s prophecy, after Pope Francis there is one more Pope.
Why this show of blessing? It seems arranged to say “all is well” when it’s not!! If Pope Benedict could speak up- even as a bishop or Cardinal, surely he would…? This is sinister. PAPA Benedict must have heard the news- is he secretly directing the 4 Cardinals?
Hi Donna, Pope Benedict is probably aware about the 4 Cardinals, Cardinal Burke is very close to the Pontiff, Pope Benedict has probably another important role to play at the service of the Church, this would explains his choice to still keep his Papal Clothes, Something surely related to Fatima, they probably push him to resign but they could not force and convaince him to remove any sign of the Papacy (Papal clothes as his title), in other words an act of resistance from the Pope and a message between the line for the faithful, surely negotiate by himself before accepting any resignation then the St Gallen Mafiosi Group helped by a strong lobby within the Church as outside plotting for years finally got their puppet on the throne of Peter, by experience, I am probably close to the real story of this plot, all the leaks sent to me as well as a meticulous observation of this Pontificate for 3 Years confirms my opinion from the beginning, if confirmed in no way the last election of Francis could be valid, my knowledge about the Fatima 3rd Secret due to my research for years can only confim this scenario as well.
I agree Aviso; thank you. That’s a relief to hear from someone! I’ve been disturbed lately by criticisms of Pope Benedict for abandoning the church to this mess (so they say). But in actual fact I think he knows what he is doing- God still guides Him (and not Francis) from heaven. The prophecies do also. Anyone who cannot see that Francis is anti-Pope or heretical Pope (even if validly elected) has not researched enough or/and has their head in the sand. Francis doesn’t even acknowledge Fatima. Or, that souls suffer in hell- the newest heresy( see here:)
Stay awake and alert! Do not have itching ears for false doctrine Catholic remnant! Sound the alarm and let others know the truth!
This is a good point, Aviso. It’s entirely plausible to consider that BXVI has given some direction to the 4 Cardinals. I have lost count, but I believe there are at least three others publicly supporting them, while several others are threatening them, even mocking them.
So, we have two very distinctive camps right in front of us finally. Two popes, two sides in the college. Any military school 1st year student will tell you that it’s a lot easier to either wage war or defend against attack when you know who it is you are attacking or defending against. The attackers have been know for years, but now God has seen fit to let us know who the defenders are. This is a HUGE development in my opinion. The college (and by extension their subordinates, including us lay people) have been given one FINAL opportunity to choose a side. Im looking at this as a great gift from God, not one of further confusion and infighting within the church, which it obviously is, but takes a backseat to the big picture at hand..
God Bless you,
God bless you Linus and thank you! Your words are like a balm to my heart.+