Jacinta’s Vision of the Holy Father
Insulted and Persecuted
Taken from “The Third Secret” by Frère Michel de la Sainte Trinité
«One day, (Lucy says) we spent our siesta down by my parents’ well. Jacinta sat on the stone slabs on top of the well. Francisco and I climbed up a steep bank in search of wild honey among the brambles in a nearby thicket.
«After a little while, Jacinta called out to me: “Didn’t you see the Holy Father?” “No.” “I don’t know how it happened, but I saw the Holy Father in a very big house, kneeling by a table, with his head buried in his hands, and he was weeping. Outside the house, there were many people. Some of them were throwing stones, others were cursing him and using bad language. Poor Holy Father, we must pray very much for him.”
«One day, (Lucy continues) two priests recommended us to pray for the Holy Father, and explained to us who the Pope was. Afterwards, Jacinta asked me: “Is he the one I saw weeping, the one Our Lady told us about in the Secret?” “Yes, he is.” “The Lady must surely have shown him also to those priests. You see, I wasn’t mistaken. We need to pray a lot for him.”»30
Some experts believed that this mysterious vision applied to Pope Pius XII. But it is more probable that this prophetic vision concerns the future. Does it perhaps concern the Pope who will finally decide to fulfill the requests of Our Lady, beginning with revealing Her final Secret to the world? If Sister Lucy experienced a real agony before writing it down, we can imagine the terrible sufferings of the Pope who would have to reveal it. It is also certain that when the Supreme Pontiff renounces the compromises, silence and concessions dictated by a too-human prudence and decides to act vigorously, in conformity with his duty as Vicar of Christ — that is, first of all as the fearless defender of the deposit of Faith, no longer hesitating to denounce by name the heretics who poison his flock — he will provoke the furor of his enemies, he will also have to bear the insults and hatred of his own misguided children, who for a long time have been serving the Enemy. He will be insulted, he will be pelted with stones, and he will be cursed. Yes, at that time more than ever, «the Holy Father will have much to suffer».
The Vision of the War and
the Holy Father in Prayer
«Another time, (Lucy writes) we went to the cave called Lapa do Cabeço. As soon as we got there, we prostrated on the ground, saying the prayers the Angel had taught us.
«After some time, Jacinta stood up and called to me: “Can’t you see all those highways and roads and fields full of people, who are crying with hunger and have nothing to eat? And the Holy Father in a church praying before the Immaculate Heart of Mary? And so many people praying with him?”
«Some days later, she asked me: “Can I say that I saw the Holy Father and all those people?” “No. Don’t you see that that’s part of the Secret? If you do, they’ll find out right away.” “All right! Then I’ll say nothing at all.”»31
This second prophetic vision, like the first, has undoubtedly not yet been fulfilled. The horrible war in question is undoubtedly the future war we are threatened with. As for the Holy Father «praying before the Immaculate Heart of Mary», we may believe that he is the Pope mentioned in the Secret: «In the end … the Holy Father will consecrate Russia to Me.» Did Our Lady perhaps reveal to Her little confidante what a tragic situation we would be in when the consecration of Russia, requested so insistently by Heaven since 1929, would finally take place? «They will do it, but it will be late,» Our Lord told Sister Lucy.
Only the disclosure of the third Secret, and fulfillment of the events predicted, will give us the whole truth about these visions of Jacinta. Be that as it may, the lesson Lucy wished us to draw from these accounts is simple, and more relevant and urgent than ever: we must pray, pray much and offer sacrifices for the Pope. Although in her Memoirs the seer could not reveal the reasons for her insistence — which undoubtedly directly depend on the revelations in the third Secret — she at least wished to set before us the moving example of her little cousin. Along with concern for saving sinners from hell, the thought of the Holy Father was what preoccupied her the most, surely because she knew of events that we did not — she knew what dangers, temptations and finally what terrible persecutions the Holy Father would have to put up with and suffer before the triumph of the Immaculate Heart of Mary.
Lucy even goes so far as to write:
«… There was not a prayer or sacrifice we offered to God which did not include an invocation for His Holiness.»40
This preoccupation, which is so surprising for such young children, is perfectly understandable if the third Secret mentions explicitly — and with details striking to the imagination — possible defects of the Supreme Pontiffs and the persecutions they will have to undergo later on (because of these failings). Moreover we find explicit mention of these tribulations that the Popes would undergo in the dramatic prophecy of Our Lord to Sister Lucy at Rianjo, in August 1931:
«Make it known to My ministers, that given they follow the example of the King of France in delaying the execution of My request, that they will follow him into misfortune. It will never be too late to have recourse to Jesus and Mary.»41
What misfortune is Our Lord referring to? Undoubtedly it is the third Secret which provides the answer.
(30) “De nuevo el Secreto de Fátima”, Ephemerides mariologicae, 1982. III, p. 112-113. Cf. our Vol. III, p. 75-78.
(31) III, p. 113.
(40) II, p. 83; cf I, p. 34.
(41) Cf. our Vol. II, p. 543-544.
My Comment : So who is the Holy Father insulted and persecuted of Jacinta’s Vision and de facto probably the Pope indicated in the Fatima 3rd Secret ? below some facts.
13 Facts :
- Jacinta’s Vision ” I saw the Holy Father in a very big house, kneeling by a table, with his head buried in his hands, and he was weeping. Outside the house, there were many people. Some of them were throwing stones, others were cursing him and using bad language. Poor Holy Father, we must pray very much for him.”
«One day, (Lucy continues) two priests recommended us to pray for the Holy Father, and explained to us who the Pope was. Afterwards, Jacinta asked me: “Is he the one I saw weeping, the one Our Lady told us about in the Secret?” “Yes, he is.”
Aviso : The Secret talks about a Pope weeping, insulted and persecuted
2. Father Joseph Schweigl (September 1952)
In 1952 Father Joseph Schweigl was entrusted by Pope Pius XII with a secret mission to interrogate Sister Lucy about the Third Secret. He subsequently stated:
I cannot reveal anything of what I learned at Fatima concerning the Third Secret, but I can say that it has two parts: one concerns the Pope; the other logically (although I must say nothing) would have to be the continuation of the words: ‘“In Portugal, the dogma of the Faith will always be preserved…etc…”
Click to access 3rd_secret_timeline.pdf
Aviso : Confirmation that one part of the Secret concerns the Pope
3. Fatima 3rd Secret Vision (published by the Vatican in 2000)
“And we saw in an immense light that is God: ‘something similar to how people appear in a mirror when they pass in front of it’ a Bishop dressed in White ‘we had the impression that it was the Holy Father’.”
Aviso : The text of the secret (still hiden by Rome) probably explains the “we had the impression that it was the Holy Father”, de facto probably a specific Pontificate with a Bishop dressed in white and the Holy Father
4. Francis in Fatima (2017): “I am the bishop dressed in white.”
“Hail Mother of Mercy, Lady of the white robe! At this place where one hundred years ago you showed all the designs of our God’s mercy, I look upon your robe of light and, as bishop dressed in white [como bispo vestido de branco], I remember all those who, robed in baptismal white, want to live in God and pray the mysteries of Christ to attain peace”
Aviso : The text (a Prayer) was written by the Shrine of Fatima then read by Pope Francis during the Canonization of the 2 Shepherds Francisco and Jacinta, for the first time since the Apparitions of Fatima in 1917, a Pope identifies himself as a Bishop dressed in white and on the spot in Fatima directly
5. Pope Francis officially de-emphasizes papal titles (2013)
Pope Francis has possibly de-emphasized a number of the formal titles normally taken by the leader of the Roman Catholic church, choosing instead to list himself first by the basic title “Bishop of Rome” in the Vatican’s annual directory.
Pope Francis has on several occasions emphasized his role as a bishop, rarely referring to himself as pope or pontiff — even on the night of his election telling crowds in St. Peter’s Square it was “the task of the conclave was to give Rome a bishop.”
Aviso : chose to list himself first by the title “Bishop of Rome” in the Vatican’s annual directory de facto officially
6. Pope Benedict: ‘The Lord is Calling Me To ‘Scale the Mountain” (2013)
The Holy Father spoke on his impending retirement, saying that the Word of God addresses him in a particular, to which the faithful responded with applause.
“The Lord is calling me to “scale the mountain,” to dedicate myself still more to prayer and to meditation,” the Pope said. “But this does not mean abandoning the Church – on the contrary, if God asks this of me, it is to serve the Church with the same dedication and the same love with which I have tried to do so hitherto, but in a way that is more adapted to my age and my strength. Let us invoke the intercession of the Virgin Mary: may she help us always to follow the Lord Jesus in prayer and in active charity.”
Aviso : In the description of the Fatima 3rd Secret Vision written by Sister Lucy and Published by the Vatican in 2000, we read :
“After the two parts which I have already explained, at the left of Our Lady and a little above, we saw an Angel with a flaming sword in his left hand; flashing, it gave out flames that looked as though they would set the world on fire; but they died out in contact with the splendour that Our Lady radiated towards him from her right hand: pointing to the earth with his right hand, the Angel cried out in a loud voice: ‘Penance, Penance, Penance!’. And we saw in an immense light that is God: ‘something similar to how people appear in a mirror when they pass in front of it’ a Bishop dressed in White ‘we had the impression that it was the Holy Father’. Other Bishops, Priests, men and women Religious going up a steep mountain, at the top of which there was a big Cross of rough-hewn trunks as of a cork-tree with the bark; before reaching there the Holy Father passed through a big city half in ruins and half trembling with halting step, afflicted with pain and sorrow….etc…..”
7. Father Kramer via the Fatima Center about the secret (2002)
Pope John Paul II made May 13 the Feast of Our Lady of Fatima. This is the highest form of approval that the Fatima apparitions have yet received. The feast commemorating the apparitions of Our Lady of Fatima is a Feast of the Universôal Church.
As Cardinal Luigi Ciappi plainly stated in his message to Professor Baumgartner of Salzburg, “In the Third Secret it is foretold, amongst other things, that the great apostasy in the Church will begin at the top.”
In 1999, the late Malachi Martin stated on the Art Bell Show that, while he was secretary to Cardinal Bea, he was given to read the Secret of Fatima in early February 1960, which he described as written on a single sheet of paper.
He stated that Our Lady’s words were very dry and specific and they foretold of a future “pope” (not the true Pope, but an heretical antipope) who would be completely under the control of the devil. It is clear then, that the Third Secret of Fatima reveals the “mystery of iniquity” (2 Thess. 2:7), the mystery of the red dragon, whose tail swept down a third of the “stars of Heaven”, i.e. one third of the Catholic hierarchy.
The Third Secret of Fatima reveals this “mystery of iniquity”: a counterfeit Pope will rule from the Vatican. A great portion of the Catholic hierarchy will follow him into apostasy. The true Pope will be hunted down and killed, along with many prelates and laypeople.
Aviso : Incredible details from Father Kramer about the 3rd secret, no one of good will can deny that the given détails about the Papacy in his article written 16 Years ago (Spring 2002) could not match our current situation at the top of the Church.
8. Roberto de Matei about the Secret and Archbishop Gänswein (2016)
The German theologian Ingo Dollinger revealed to the “OnePeterFive” site that after the publication of the Third Secret of Fatima, Cardinal Ratzinger had confided to him: “Das ist noch nicht alles!”, “We didn’t publish everything”. The Vatican Press Office intervened with an immediate denial in which it stated: “ Pope emeritus Benedict XVI declares never to have spoken with Professor Dollinger about Fatima’, clearly affirming that the remarks attributed to Professor Dollinger on the matter ‘are pure inventions, absolutely untrue’, and he confirms decisively that ‘the publication of the Third Secret of Fatima is complete.”
In this sense it’s not the Fatima Secret we need to start from in order to understand the reality of a tragedy in the Church, but from the crisis in the Church[itself]in order to understand the ultimate meaning of the Fatima Secret. A crisis which goes back to the 1960s, but with Benedict XVI’s abdication and Pope Francis’ pontificate, has seen a shocking acceleration.
While the Vatican Press Office was making haste to defuse the Dollinger case, another bomb exploded with an even greater impact. During the presentation of Prof. Don Roberto Regoli’s book, Oltre la crisi della Chiesa. Il pontificato di Benedetto XVI (Lindau, Turin, 2016) held in the auditorium at the Gregorian Pontifical University, Monsignor Georg Gänswein highlighted Pope Ratzinger’s act of renunciation with these words:
One sentence connects the second and third part of the Fatima Secret: “In Portugal the dogma of the faith will always be kept.” Our Lady is talking to three little Portuguese shepherds and assures them that their country will not lose the faith. But where will the faith be lost? It has always been thought that Our Lady was referring to the apostasy of entire nations, but today is seems increasingly clearer that the greatest loss of faith is occurring among churchmen.
A “bishop dressed in white” and “various other bishops, priests and religious” are at the centre of the Third Secret, in a setting of death and ruin, legitimate to imagine as not only material, but spiritual. Before writing the Third Secret, the revelation that Sister Lucia had at Tuy on January 3rd 1944 confirms this, and is hence indissolubly linked to it. After the vision of a terrible cosmic catastrophe, Sister Lucia recounts that she had heard in her heart “a soft voice that said: ‘in time, one faith, one baptism, one Church, Holy Catholic, Apostolic. In eternity Heaven!’ !”
Aviso : Incredible article from the well known Professor de Matei, of an explosive nature as he said himself about this disclosure from Archbishop Gänswein regarding Pope Benedict Resignation, the Professor does not hesitate to link this disclosure to the Vision of the Fatima 3rd Secret and talks about a exceptional Pontificate
9. Father Gruner and the current Papacy (2017)
What Fr. Gruner Actually Thought and Wanted
In light of the controversies currently surrounding the work of Fr. Nicholas Gruner, I believe it is my obligation to speak of what I know concerning the mind of Fr. Gruner. All of what I write here was either told to me by Fr. Gruner himself on numerous occasions or told me by my dear friend John Vennari in private conversations, either over the phone or face to face.
With regard to the papacy, however, we must consider this. Fr. Gruner came to believe that Francis I was not a true pope, but that Josef Ratzinger/Benedict XVI had retained the office. So it would have to be Benedict that would consecrate Russia to the Immaculate Heart and not Francis. John Vennari told me this on two occasions in private after the death of Fr. Gruner. At the time I had not known that this was the case and was surprised. John also said that Father was making statements in this regard during his speeches at his conferences at least by late 2014. John was not pleased by this turn of events at all, not at all.
Resignation agitation and the wit of John Vennari
In October of 2014, I had the pleasure of speaking at the Fatima Conference held in Deerfield, IL. The first night of the weekend conference began, as usual, with a dinner and an address given by Fr. Nicholas Gruner.
Toward the end of his roughly hour-long talk, Fr. Gruner made mention of the vision attached to the Third Secret of the “bishop dressed in white” of whom Sr. Lucia wrote, “we had the impression that it was the Holy Father.”
Drawing a contrast between this “impression” and the actual pope who, according to the vision, is killed, Fr. Gruner stressed that they are not one and the same person.
The former, he said, is not the Holy Father, he just looks like it.
Aviso : 2 articles from some close Friends of the Late Father Gruner, I could not post an article about Fatima without the opinion of one of the greatest experts on the subject, in other word from the Fatima Priest himself
10. Francis asks to consecrate his pontificate to Our Lady of Fatima (2013)
Pope Francis has asked the Patriarch of Lisbon, Cardinal José Policarpo, if he can consecrate his pontificate to Our Lady of Fatima. The cardinal himself confirmed this, in his introduction to the 181st general assembly of the Portuguese Bishops’ Conference. At the end of his opening speech, Policarpo said: “Pope Francis asked me twice whether he could consecrate his new ministry to Our Lady of Fatima. It is a mandate I can carry out in prayer and silence. But it would be nice if the whole bishop’s conference joined in to fulfil this request. May Mary guide us in our work and in fulfilling Pope Francis’ request.”
Aviso: The first pope since 1917 to have asked for a consecration of his pontificate to our Lady of Fatima, no other pope thought it necessary to do so, nor Pope Pius XI, nor Pope Pius XII, nor Pope John XXIII, nor Pope Paul VI, nor Pope John Paul 1st, nor Pope John Paul II and nor Pope Benedict XVI, the only one is Pope Francis, why?
11. Pope (Francis) To Canonize Jacinta and Francisco. But What about Sister Lucia? (2017)
by Christopher A. Ferrara
March 24, 2017
The Vatican has announced that the Fatima seers Jacinta and Francisco, already beatified by John Paul II, will be canonized by Pope Bergoglio, following the recent approval of a second miracle attributed to their intercession. The ceremony will probably take place in May, during the Pope’s pilgrimage to Fatima.
Good news indeed. And long overdue. But there is something else that is long overdue respecting the Fatima event: the canonization of Sister Lucia. She is clearly the primary visionary who was accorded a long life on this earth for the purpose of recording and making known what the Blessed Virgin had revealed to the three seers, Jacinta and Francisco having died within three years of the apparitions. Indeed, the Virgin prophesied to Lucia that her two cousins would soon leave this earth but that she would have to remain “some time longer.” As Our Lady explained to Lucia: “Jesus wishes to make use of you to make me known and loved.”
It was Lucia whom Our Lady instructed to learn to read and write in order to fulfill her earthly mission, instruction she obeyed by leaving her childhood home in 1921 to attend a convent boarding school.
It was Lucia whose four Memoirs and voluminous correspondence preserved the Fatima event in all its details and with all its implications — above all, the Great Secret revealed on July 13, 1917, including its third part, commonly known as the Third Secret of Fatima.
It was Lucia who, having become a cloistered nun in Spain, was informed by Our Lady in 1929, at Tuy, that “the moment has come” for the Consecration of Russia to the Immaculate Heart of Mary.
It was Lucia who, throughout a lifetime of testimony, contradicted the absurd claim that Russia could be consecrated without specific reference to Russia (for the worldly-wise members of the Vatican apparatus had deemed it inopportune to follow Our Lady’s explicit instructions, lest the Russians be offended by such unecumenical effrontery).
It was Lucia who, in her Fourth Memoir, recorded the opening lines of the Third Secret pointing to a Marian prophecy of a great crisis of faith and discipline in the Church: “In Portugal the dogma of the faith will always be preserved etc.” — words of the Virgin that the Vatican has avoided like the plague and whose blatant omission from the “official” Fatima narrative it refuses to explain.
And it was Lucia who, as recently as the late 1990s, warned Cardinal Caffarra of precisely the debacle we are now witnessing in the aftermath of the sham “Synod on the Family” and the publication of the disastrous Amoris Laetitia: “The final battle between the Lord and the kingdom of Satan will be about Marriage and the Family.”
All of this we owe to Sister Lucia dos Santos and she alone. And yet, while her cause for beatification was accelerated during the reign of Benedict XVI (who waived the normal five-year waiting period), she has yet to be beatified while her two cousins will soon be raised to the altars.
Why? Why, in particular, has Pope Bergoglio not exercised his supreme apostolic authority to accelerate the process of Lucia’s canonization, the process for beatification having finally been completed at the diocesan level this February? He has shown no hesitancy in disregarding the usual process in other cases. Most famously, he waived the normal requirement of two miracles in canonizing John XXIII based on one rather insubstantial claim of a miraculous cure (of a gastrointestinal hemorrhage back in 1966 with nothing since then).
And, as the Washington Post wryly observes: “In three cases, Francis elevated saints without a single confirmed miracle under their virtuous belts.” The method employed is called “equipollent” canonization, which Vatican Radio explained as follows, after Francis had employed it to canonize two Canadians in the absence of verified miracles: “[W]hen there is strong devotion among the faithful toward holy men and women who have not been canonized, the Pope can choose to authorize their veneration as saints without going through that whole process.”
The net impression is one of foot-dragging concerning the undeniable sanctity and heroic virtue of the Fatima seer to whom Heaven assigned the mission of making the Message of Fatima known and preserving its content for posterity. Perhaps this state of affairs has something to do with Sister Lucia being the bearer of bad news for a Vatican apparatus that has presided over the collapse of faith and discipline from which the Church has suffered since Vatican II. It is the very crisis doubtless foretold in that part of the Third Secret the Vatican has deemed inadmissible because it constitutes an indictment of much of the current leadership of the Church — from the top down.
Jacinta and Francisco, on the other hand, can be canonized without reference to the explosive contents of the Message that Sister Lucia faithfully recorded and unflaggingly defended against a Fatima revisionism that would reduce the entire Fatima event to a prescription for personal prayer and penance, stripping the Message of its inconvenient admonitory prophecies, including the one concerning a defecting hierarchy.
Let the reader decide the reason for this seemingly inexplicable disparity of treatment of one of the three Fatima seers. To me, however, the conclusion seems obvious: Sister Lucia is an unwelcome messenger whose unwelcome message would be certified by her canonization.
Aviso : Pope’s Homily at Canonization Mass for Jacinta & Francisco Marto in Fatima
“[There] appeared in heaven a woman clothed with the sun”. So the seer of Patmos tells us in the Book of Revelation (12:1)………..
In her Memoirs (III, 6), Sister Lucia quotes Jacinta who had just been granted a vision: “Do you not see all those streets, all those paths and fields full of people crying out for food, yet have nothing to eat? And the Holy Father in a church, praying before the Immaculate Heart of Mary? And all those people praying with him?” Thank you, brothers and sisters, for being here with me! I could not fail to come here to venerate the Virgin Mary and to entrust to her all her sons and daughters.
Aviso : after identifying himself as a Bishop dressed in white (read paragraph 3), in his Homily at Canonization Mass for Jacinta and Francisco, Pope Francis quoting Jacinta’s vision and following the part about the Holy Father in a Church praying before the Immaculate Heart of Mary, thanks the faithful for being here with him and that he could not fail to come here, giving the impression once again that he might thinks that the Pope in Jacinta’s Vision, de facto the Pope of the Secret, could be himself, in other word a Bishop dressed in white giving the impression of being the Holy Father.
12. Who is the “Bishop Dressed in White?” John Salza (2015)
Until the Vatican finally releases the missing text of the Third Secret, we continue to ask: Who is this “Bishop in White”? Is he a Pope? An anti-pope? A “Pope Emeritus”?
Let’s explore these questions by examining the curious words Lucia used in describing the vision: And we saw in an immense light that is God: ‘something similar to how people appear in a mirror when they pass in front of it’ a Bishop dressed in White ‘we had the impression that it was the Holy Father.’ Other Bishops, Priests, men and women Religious going up a steep mountain, at the top of which there was a big Cross of rough-hewn trunks as of a cork-tree with the bark; before reaching there the Holy Father passed through a big city half in ruins and half trembling with halting step.” Afflicted with pain and sorrow, he prayed for the souls of the corpses he met on his way. Having reached the top of the mountain, on his knees at the foot of the big Cross he was killed by a group of soldiers who fired bullets and arrows at him.”
1 Needless to say, the manner of Lucia’s initial description of the “Bishop in White” is peculiar, and the Vatican document offers no commentary on it. This method of explanation could be interpreted to mean the children saw only an image of the Pope who was not really the Pope (just like an image of someone reflected in a mirror is not the actual person who “passes in front of” the mirror). This may also explain why Lucia writes that “we had the impression that it was the Holy Father.” Why would Lucia say it was only their “impression” if it actually was the Holy Father? Again, the use of “mirror images” and “impressions” may be Lucia’s way of describing someone in the vision who was not really who he appeared to be. That this person is referred to as a “Bishop in White” suggests he is a true bishop. Could he be a possible Vatican prelate who seized the papal throne under false pretenses? That the bishop is “dressed in White” suggests that these vestments operate to mask his true identity and ecclesiastical position (a bishop or cardinal but not the true Pope).
Until the resignation of Pope Benedict XVI, among the cardinals and bishops in the Vatican, only the Pope wore white vestments outside of liturgical rites (now, of course, both Pope Francis and Pope Emeritus Benedict wear the white cassock). As such, it seems superfluous to describe the Pope as a “Bishop dressed in White” if he were really the Pope, just as it would be superfluous to describe the Green Bay Packers’ quarterback as a “man wearing number 12, dressed in green and gold” if he were really Aaron Rodgers.
Rather, one would use these descriptions to describe a deceiving imposter. In further support for this thesis, it is possible to interpret Lucia’s words as making a distinction between the seers’ uncertain impression of the “Bishop dressed in White” as the Pope in the first part of the vision and the certain identification of the “Holy Father” in the second part of the vision (who is “killed by a group of soldiers”). Lucia only describes the “Bishop dressed in White” as a “mirror image,” giving an “impression” of his identity. Lucia never says he is the “Holy Father.” On the other hand, when Lucia describes the Holy Father’s pass through the city in ruins, his prayers for the dead and ultimate execution, she does not use the equivocal language; she simply says he is the Holy Father.
Click to access Feature%20-%20Who%20is%20the%20Bishop%20Dressed%20in%20White.pdf
Aviso : “something similar to how people appear in a mirror when they pass in front of it”, so A Bishop dressed in white giving the impression of being the Holy Father, to have the impression means to suspect, to sense, to presume or to assume only, in other word it’s not a certitude, de facto it could be also someone else, another person, precisely the Vision gives 2 different names for the Vicar of Christ, first of all a Bishop dressed in white then the Holy Father, why 2 diffirent names ? because those are 2 different Persons ? an impression of being the Holy Father (called by the seer a Bishop dressed in white) and the Holy Father himself, we cannot deny this possibility, if it’s the case then the Vision refers to a specifical period for the Church and probably during a specific Pontificate as well, de facto the Pontificate with a Bishop dressed in white and the Holy Father.
13. Lucia Dos Santos of Fatima ( March 28, 1907 – February 13, 2005)
Aviso : During last Mass, Pope Benedict urges return to God
.- Pope Benedict XVI encouraged people across the globe to wholeheartedly return to God during his last Mass today as pontiff of the Catholic Church.
“May the invitation to conversion, to ‘return to God with all our heart,’ resonate strongly in us,” Pope Benedict said at St. Peter’s Basilica on Ash Wednesday Feb. 13.
“Accepting his grace that makes us new men and women, with the surprising news that is participating in the very life of Jesus,” he said during the Mass held at 5 p.m. local time.
Benedict XVI’s homily was his last as the head of the Church after he announced on Monday that he will be resigning on Feb. 28.
Below Pope Benedict XVI Last Public Mass held in Saint Peter’s Basilica, Vatican City on Ash Wednesday 13th February 2013
My Comment : Strangely the last Public Mass of Pope Benedict as Vicar of Christ was on February 13th as well, the same day of the “death” of the last seer of Fatima, Sister Lucia (February 13th, 2005), in 2018 it will also be 13 years that sister Lucia went to Heaven, Pope Francis was also elected on March 13th, 2013, another coincidence surely.
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From Ann Barnhardt:
Why the identity of the Vicar of Christ matters, and you will soon be forced to publicly declare it…
Now that Antipope Bergoglio has declared vaccines manufactured with fetal cell lines “moral” in his Antichurch, every believing Catholic is going to have to make a choice.
Here is how Satan has set the chess board, trying to trick people into thinking that they are in SCHISM (emphasis added):
If you try to claim that such “vaccines” are a violation of your conscience as a Catholic, you will be told that “Pope Francis”, to whom you MUST submit as a Catholic, has ratified and is pushing such vaccines, and thus your appeal to violation of conscience is impossible AS A CATHOLIC.
We, of course, see straight through satan’s gambit. Antipope Bergoglio has nothing to do with the Papacy, and has no authority. Further, Antipope Bergoglio is not the standard of schism. The Vicar of Christ, Pope Benedict XVI, is the principle of unity and standard of schism. Jorge Bergoglio is a mere criminal.
So the people who have intransigently insisted that “Francis is Pope” are about to be forced by their own error into yet another catch-22: either get the Coviet baptism or publicly apostatize from Catholicism, because the lie that Antipope Bergoglio is the head of the Catholic Church yields the false corollary that there is no appeal to Catholic conscience in refusing vaccines.
THIS is yet another proof-set as to why the identity of the Vicar of Christ is of the utmost importance and relevance. Remaining neutral or merely silent on this question will no longer be possible.
And yes, this is yet another example of consilience, as Catholic teaching and conscience remains totally intact when you acknowledge that Benedict is Pope.
God doesn’t put people in catch-22s in terms of their immortal souls. You NEVER have to choose between two sins as your only path forward. If it appears that you do, then something is wrong with your base premise. There is always a path forward that doesn’t involve sin.
“As a Catholic in unity with and in submission to the Vicar of Christ, Pope Benedict XVI, and the infallible and unchanging magisterium of the Church of which he is the visible earthly head, I refuse to be vaccinated as it would be a violation of conscience.”
See how easy that is? No catch-22. No schism. No apostasy. Just the radiant, resplendent TRUTH. But you have to SAY it. “Silent neutrality” is no longer an option.
Wheat… chaff… sheep… goats…
It’s all happening.
Pray for Pope Benedict XVI, the Papacy, and Holy Mother Church.
I believe the bishop in white is Francis I and the pope that is killed is Benedict XVI. Francis I refers to himself as Bishop of Rome rather than pope. Benedict XIII never renounced his papacy, so he is the rightful heir to Peter. He is martyred because of the sins of his confreres. Francis I has shown through the synod on the family that he is willing to sacrifice of the Mass (Eucharist) to accommodate divorced persons and gay couples.
I too once held this view, but I’m not so sure anymore. This version only applies if Mary the Mother of God is stating via the Fatima apparition that the Holy Trinity does not recognise Pope Francis I as Pope. Meaning therefore that Fr. Gruner’s assessment is correct; that the Bishop in White and the Pope described by the visionary, are really two distinct people and not the one and the same person. But what if Heaven does accept Pope Francis as legitimate? ‘What you (College of Cardinals) bind on earth shall be considered bound in heaven.’
The reason for my doubt is the reported statements made by Pope Benedict XVI to the Catholic Press toward the end of 2018, that he wants the Catholic world to be in no doubt about the cause of his retirement; that it was unequivocally and solely his decision, a choice made after much prayer, taken as a product of his free will, that there could be no coercion that would force him to resign, there is no conspiracy at work and that Pope Francis I is his legitimate successor and to be accepted as such. Obedience to Pope Benedict Emeritus is surely not open for debate?
As I said I remain in two minds, and will therefore always pray for ‘The Pope’, I’ll leave it to Heaven to attach my intercession to whom it chooses.
I agree wholeheartedly with your last sentence. I think we are seeing the construct of the anti-church by Pope Francis. Not as some malicious intent by him and the liberal clergy to set about a deliberate plan to deconstruct the Church founded upon the Apostle by Our Lord. No, but more as a result of them having been made blind by the seduction of the World and its novelties, inclusive ideologies and misguided notion that to compromise is to be popular and to be a popular church is to be a successful church. That by being so, this ‘reformed popular church’ of Vatican II and of Pope Francis will fill the pews with the disenfranchised. It will pave the way for an increase in priestly vocations by the adoption of diversity beyond celibacy and the male only premise. Its success will be measured by the illusion of Christian unity, a diabolical inspiration in its present form that wants to legitimise the liturgies of the ‘Dark Church’ and its congregations with that of the Apostolic Eucharistic Mass. We have a Pope so intent on numbers, populism and unity at any cost that he has betrayed the Vatican approved underground and persecuted Church of martyrs in China for the disavowed Chinese state controlled church with its heretical hierarchy of Cardinals and Bishops. Judas did not know he was to be Satan’s instrument, this Pope does not see what hour it is that approaches, what you and many know and see, he is too full of his own ambition to reform.
God permits all of this for now, so we, like little children, must accept with patience what is and is to come. In so doing we emulate the example of many chosen ‘victim souls,’ and Christ Himself who offered their sufferings and sorrows as prayers of intercession for poor sinners and as atonement for sin.
I recommend a reading of the following article, particularly in the light of comments recently posted, when you read it you may get my drift.
It was a good read. Here are some excerpts of the article:
* “The abominable crimes of men like Cardinal McCarrick – sins that are overwhelmingly homosexual in nature and cry to Heaven for vengeance – will not go unpunished. The frightening reality is that the chastisement for such sins impacts the entire Mystical Body of Christ and the world at large.”
* “Apostasy … and the loss of faith of a continent is worse than the annihilation of a nation; and it is true that faith is continually diminishing in Europe…”
* “In the Third Secret it is foretold, among other things, that the great apostasy in the Church will begin at the top.”
* “… that the greatest persecution of the Church comes not from her enemies without, but arises from sin within the Church, and that the Church thus has a deep need to relearn penance, to accept purification, to learn forgiveness on the one hand, but also the need for justice. Forgiveness does not replace justice.”
We can conclude, or at least I can conclude, is that the problems in the Church (both Clergy and Lay people) are the Church’s own making. This is a fundamental emphasis of Fatima. So, in many ways it is the Church that is on trial.
Our Lady of Fatima has offered a solution and it is a disgrace that the Clergy in the Church have rejected this solution.
To finish it off, I add the words of Our Lady of Fatima as revealed by Sister Lucia:
“If my requests are heeded, Russia will be converted, and there will be peace; if not, she will spread her errors throughout the world, causing wars and persecutions of the Church. The good will be martyred; the Holy Father will have much to suffer; various nations will be annihilated. In the end, my Immaculate Heart will triumph. The Holy Father will consecrate Russia to me, and she shall be converted, and a period of peace will be granted to the world.”
OK I could not sleep last night so I went back to my own researchs, we know that the Prophetic Puzzle is complicated as we know that Heaven does not like speculation about timing, so we are going to be responsible and faithful to the wish of Heaven, we know also that Loli knew the Year of the Warning, her own sister confirmed it to me several times, Loli said also that the Lady of the Carmel did not forbid her to reveal it but she never felt the urge to do it, so I concentrated all my researchs on this fact (Our Lady did not forbid the seer to reveal the Warning Year) but strangely Conchita was asked to reveal the Great Miracle day 8 Days before only, de facto and I knew it for years as indicated to me in the village, both seers had a kind of Agreement about the Garabandal timing, so we are going to respect that and will focus on the Warning year only, de facto we are respecting the wish of Heaven, the Warning year could have been revealed by the Seer but the Great Miracle 8 days before only.
During my researchs and after a meticulous investigation in the village (I make some of them crazy), I contacted a French Eschatologist few years ago, he told me that the number 13 is related to Fatima and the number 18 is related to Garabandal, Garabandal being the Continuation of Fatima so both are related eschatology speaking and facts are there :
In 2013 (number 13) : We had many events related to the number 13 so to Fatima :
February 2013 : Resignation of Pope Benedict
March 2013 : Election of Pope Francis
So that year 2013 we got Something unseen in the History of the Church, for the first time a Emeritus Pope still dressed in white (Benedict) and a new Pope (Francis) on the seat of Peter, giving the impression of having 2 Popes, corresponding exactly to the Vision of the 3rd secret, the Famous BIshop in white and the Holy Father, this is a fact and not speculation anymore, the impression is there and no one of good will can deny it, so the French Eschatologist told me that the Year 2013 (Fatima) and the Year 2018 (Garabandal) are probably linked, so we may had 8 Years with Benedict (2005-2013) and 5 Years with Francis (2013-2018), 8 years + 5 Years = 13 Years (Fatima again), so in 2018 and if the Eschatologist is right, we will probably live the Fatima 3rd Secret Vision or any Events related to Garabandal, 2018 being also the 13th years since the death of the last seer of Fatima Lucia (Feb 2005) and of Pope John Paul II (April 2005), the latter being considered by the Vatican, de facto officially, as the Pope of the 3rd Secret and by still many Garabandalists as the Last Pope of the Garabandal Prophecy, so wait and see, I am still confident.
Confirmation below (video from minute 1.45 to minute 3.45) from Loli herself that she knew the Warning Year and that she was not forbid to reveal it, choosing herself not to talk about it, enjoy the moment when the Good Priest try to get more détails and the reaction of the Seer, :
PS : Pray for us Loli, when I am watching your eyes, your humility, your joy, knowing also a lot about your Cross then I am back in Garabandal next to your sister, a Mother for me, as you Propably know there from Heaven I own to your family a lot so sweet Sister, Angel of God, please Pray for me as well that I May have the same Faith as you for carrying my Cross to the end as well, thank you for everything Maria-Dolores.
Few more words about the Vision of the Bishop in white revealed to us by the Vatican in 2000, we know today and for sure that the text explaining that Vision is missing, so they lied to us, why ? because and according to my own work this time, the text probably talks about a specific period for the Church, a specific Pontificate, probably with 2 Popes, the Bishop in white and the Holy Father so 2 different Persons (some told me 2 diffferent Churches, the Church of the Lord and the Church of satan), this period of the secret is probably unique or very rare in the history of the Church, de facto this possibility match very well our current situation, with an heretic (the Bishop in white) at the Top (probably put there by the so called Soros, Clinton, Obama connection…) and another one (the Holy Father) probably forced to Resign and held back within the Vatican, in the Vision the Holy Father is killed, to me this is probably the Bishop in white, why ? because of Garabandal, the Lady of the Carmel said to us that the Holy Father will see the Great Miracle from wherever he will be that time, this very important detail could mean not on the Seat of Peter, I was also informed few years ago via my own source in Garabandal that the Holy Father will see the Great Miracle from Russia, in my opinion we must follow closely the health of Pope Benedict, this is very important because if he dies during the Pontificate of the Apostate then we are really in trouble, so probably Something (the Warning ?) will happen before, I cannot imagine any other possibility.
There is one other possibility Aviso. The circumstance we have today, that of Pope Emeritus, could continue after Pope Benedict dies. Pope Francis 1 has already said he has not ruled out resigning, so we could have any number of days with ‘2 Popes.’ Another thought that may support this idea is the prophesy of St Malachy regarding 112 Popes, Pope Benedict being No.111. The authenticity of this prophesy remains in question, but whatever view one takes there is one very interesting line, that sits between the prediction for No. 111 “glory of olive” and No. 112 Petrus Romanus. It reads,
‘In the extreme persecution in the Holy Roman Church there will sit…’
It’s an incomplete sentence and apparently a lot of scholars believe that line is incomplete in order to convey there will be any number of unidentified Popes between the [“glory of olives”] and Peter the Roman. However I suggest, ‘there will sit…’ is deliberately devoid of Papal names because the ones that ‘sit’ are not Popes at all, but Bishops in White, usurpers of the throne of Peter. If their interpretation is to be considered correct and there is an undisclosed number of Popes between 111 and 112 then why would the last Pope be given the number 112. There is more, the phrase ‘extreme persecution in the Holy Roman Church ‘ suggests a consequential period of suffering of the baptised as a direct result of the internal conflict between those who have sold their priesthood to the Anti-Church and those who remain of the True Church.
To emphasise this point further, when speaking of persecution do we not generally use the phrase “of the” Holy Roman Catholic Church and not ‘in the?’ And finally, do not endtime prophesies state Saints Peter and Paul will appoint the Pope who will replace the Man of Perdition? Symbolic words refering to the election of No.112 Petrus Romanus, who will be enthroned by a legitimate Conclave of a fully restored Holy Roman Catholic Church, which will have been washed clean of the filth of Mammon.
Thanks Peter and why not but I am not convinced, I cannot imagine another Pontificate with 2 other Popes again or a new resignation of Francis and the election of a new Pope getting then the same situation as we have currently at the Top, it’s of course Possible but to me it looks unlikely,I cannot also imagine a Resignation of Francis, we must understand that this is not a man to retire due to some health problems or whatever, he was put on the seat of Peter to destroy the Church within and he will probably fulfill his mission until his last breath, this is what I got from Albrecht Weber as from Father Gruner via the Fatima Center, in other word he match very well and I’ll say even perfectly the Bishop in white of the Secret, I don’t know who could be the 112th Popes of the St Malachy Prophecy, maybe if Francis is a false Pope (de facto his pontificate was not taken into account by the Saint) then the next Pope could be that one (the 112th, the famous Peter the Roman), we know also from Garabandal that we will have 3 (read 4) Popes then the end of Times, de facto the Lady of the Carmel was refering to the Apocalypse of St John after the Pontificate of Pope Benedict, here we are today and since the election of Francis 5 Years ago.
But we still have from Fatima the famous ‘ at the end the Holy Father will Consecrate Russia to me….ect….”, who is this Pope ? he cannot be Francis, Benedict looks too old (however Father Gruner thought and as indicated in the article that this Pope could be Benedict) then maybe Peter the Roman of the St Malachy Prophecy, the 112th and last Pope of the Prophecy ? well here I am lost, in other word I don’t know at all and de facto you can be right as well, thanks again.
Right Dennis, I made a memory error and confused the date of the sentence from her memoirs “In Portugal the dogma…ect…” with the date of the vision revealed to us by the Vatican in 2000 only, de facto Guiseppe was right (mi scuso) and not me, mea culpa to Guisepe and thanks to Dennis for the correction, next time I will take more time to check my own sources before to reply online, sorry again, thank you to both of you.
“If we were to think this way, we should not even believe the vision of the third secret published in 2000, because it also has the Vatican as its source. As it happens, however, the Vatican source is the only source that has published the vision of the third secret that speaks to us of the « Bishop dressed in white ».
The vision of the Fatima 3rd Secret is indicated by Sister Lucia in her memoirs, this is known to any fatima Scholar for more than 50 Years now , the Vatican published the Vision of the Bishop in white from the memoirs of the seer,so the source is not the Vatican but Sister Lucia only, I mean those are basic détails, if you do not know even the basics informations, please do not waste your time as mine, thank you.
PS : in other word, the vision of the Bishop in white is known to any Fatimist for more than 50 years now, we did not need to wait for the Year 2000 and the Vatican Childish or lies if you prefer, for knowing the Vision of the Secret.
According to the official Vatican Website, Sister Lucia stated……indeed, as we know probably one of the best source about Fatima and Sister Lucia, come on my Friend.
The Official Trailer for Paul, Apostle of Christ is now out: